Grading question

[Bwarren92989]

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[Cozumeleno]

Not sure how Beckett grading works but if SGC (and I presume, PSA) believes a card has been too altered, it will not encapsulate it. Something where a card was restored or along those lines, I believe.

[slinger23]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Not sure how Beckett grading works but if SGC (and I presume, PSA) believes a card has been too altered, it will not encapsulate it. Something where a card was restored or along those lines, I believe.

BVG does encapsulate altered cards. I am guessing either the selection was not marked or maybe it defaults to a "0" grade. Keep us posted.

[glchen]

For Beckett, 0 could mean the card was graded Authentic and holdered or it could mean they did not holder the card. Since Beckett has a nice insert in their holders, they will usually holder cards even in horrible condition. The card would need to be in a truly miserable state for them not to holder the card. Or the card is in a condition where they could not distinguish what set the card belongs to. For example the card is skinned, and multiple sets have the same front. Beckett will also not holder if the card is not documented in a guide. My guess is that your card is holdered Authentic.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by slinger23

BVG does encapsulate altered cards. I am guessing either the selection was not marked or maybe it defaults to a "0" grade. Keep us posted.

Correct - but I think that SGC will not encapsulate a card they consider to be too altered. They will holder things like trimmed cards, etc., but from what I understand, they will pass on cards with a significant amount of restoration. Same goes if a card is too damaged and they fear that it might not survive the encapsulation process. I wonder if Beckett may have the same policy.

There were a couple of N28 cards I was looking at from an AH recently. They came back from SGC marked as authentic but they would not encapsulate them. I contacted the AH and asked them to clarify that they would not holder them even if asked for Authentic and they said that was the case.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Correct - but I think that SGC will not encapsulate a card they consider to be too altered. They will holder things like trimmed cards, etc., but from what I understand, they will pass on cards with a significant amount of restoration. Same goes if a card is too damaged and they fear that it might not survive the encapsulation process. I wonder if Beckett may have the same policy.

There were a couple of N28 cards I was looking at from an AH recently. They came back from SGC marked as authentic but they would not encapsulate them. I contacted the AH and asked them to clarify that they would not holder them even if asked for Authentic and they said that was the case.

I did not know this. I have a sub right now at SGC and there is a box on the form , to check if the card is altered in any way, but you still want it slab as a "A". I checked the box.

I always thought A was authentic, but altered. But they would slab it as such.

[xplainer]

Wanted to add my two cents in on the TPG companies.

I tried Beckett many years ago and they screwed me. I knew the cards were better than the grades they got. We are talking 85 McGwire, 82 Ripkens and the like.

I've learned that Beckett is for the shiny, glossy crap produced today, of guys that most likely, will never make the MLB. Bust a box, sleeve it and send it in. You want a 9.5 and a 9.5 / 10 on autos. Then, sell.

Vintage, no way.

Hey, they even produce the "price guide" most modern collectors use. Do you see a problem there?

I did a study on a 1968 Mickey Mantle. I compared the "sold'" listing on ebay between October and now - for the same grade between SGC and PSA.
Although, there were around three times more PSA cards sold, the average sale price was only $12 more in favor of the PSA.

When you consider the submission cost, and the crazy turn-around time PSA has, twelve bucks is not a big deal to me.

I've let my PSA subscription run out, and I'm SGC all the way now.

But, to each his own. But Beckett's "conflict of interest" issues rule me out there. PSA - Modern cards, SGC - Vintage.

Off the soap box. Next?

[kmac32]

My graded cards are all SGC slabs. I personally do not like the appearence of PSA graded cards as they look cheap in appearance. With that said, SGC is not perfect either as I have had some cards that were Koester Bread and easily provable that they were koester Bread and SGC labeled one as W575-1 and would not even slab the other 3 cards as authentic as the cards were on thicker stock than regular cards. I wasn't real happy about this but SGC did send me vouchers for the fees paid where no card was slabbed. I may call and ask if they will slab the Koester breads as 1920's UNC authentic as the reason they are wanting to be slabbed is for display, not resale.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Hey, they even produce the "price guide" most modern collectors use. Do you see a problem there?


But, to each his own. But Beckett's "conflict of interest" issues rule me out there. PSA - Modern cards, SGC - Vintage.

Off the soap box. Next?

Funny you mention the conflict of interest with the price guides. One could argue that PSA has the same conflict potential with their SMR pricing (which I presume many vintage collectors have used as a reference.) Yet, SMR prices are almost always lower than actual market prices (just look at SMR Cracker Jack prices). Seems like they are almost trying to avoid a conflict, or they are simply out of touch with actual market transactions (which seems hard to believe). Head scratcher.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I did not know this. I have a sub right now at SGC and there is a box on the form , to check if the card is altered in any way, but you still want it slab as a "A". I checked the box.

I always thought A was authentic, but altered. But they would slab it as such.

Yes, that's a common misconception. They will slab almost anything, but the cards I asked about from that AH were declared 'altered' and 'rebacked' so they were not able to be slabbed - even by requesting them as graded Authentic. Altered in that case, as I understood it, meant that it was so significantly altered that they refused. They will slab trimmed cards and cards in miserable shape, but certain types of restorations will not be slabbed.