New theory regarding the T206 brown LENOX cards....show us some of these rare dudes

[tedzan]

Sorry, but I have to differ with you, old buddy.


Sure, the lettering "CAIRO MONOPOL" on my T80 is darker than the usual T206 brown LENOX color.

However, the brown color of the lettering:

"Cigarettes

MILITARY SERIES

ASSORTED SUBJECTS"

Is very similar to the color of the T206 brown LENOX cards.






Furthermore, as we know....the inks used in the Jan - Mar 1911 press runs of the last stages of T206 production vary in intensity (from light to dark).
Namely the BLUE ink of PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 cards and UZIT cards......and, also the BROWN ink used on T80 cards.


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TED Z
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[Jobu]

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[trdcrdkid]

For what it's worth --

The T80 Cairo Monopol that Ted posted used to belong to me, but I traded it to him while keeping another one that I still have. Here are scans of the backs of the two cards side by side, with the one that's now Ted's on the left and the one I still have on the right:



The ink on the right one looks maybe a little darker than the ink on the left one (Ted's), though it's not a dramatic difference, and scans can be deceptive. I just pulled out that card (the one on the right) and looked at it under a bright light, and I could definitely see it as dark brown. However, under the same bright light it's definitely darker than the ink on my T206 Broad Leaf 350, which in turn is noticeably darker than a Hindu (both pictured below). The Cairo Monopol is more brown than the ink on my better black Lenox (or the Cycle 350), but not as noticeably as the Broad Leaf or the Hindu.



So, the results are ambiguous, but I thought I would throw in my two cents.

[caramelcard]

I don't have a brown lenox in my collection to compare it to in person and it's difficult to compare with scans, but I see what you're saying about the lower half of the CM backs having a browner hue.

Very interesting.

[tedzan]

Check-out Sean's brown LENOX in Post #16 in this thread and compare with my T80.






The lettering "CAIRO MONOPOL" on my T80 is somewhat darker than the usual T206 brown LENOX color.

However, the brown color of the lettering:

"Cigarettes

MILITARY SERIES

ASSORTED SUBJECTS"

Is very similar to the color of the T206 brown LENOX cards.



TED Z
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[MVSNYC]

Ted, I have a great eye...the Lenox isn't as dark as the Cairo. Perhaps Sean can post a hi-res, non-fuzzy scan, then we can properly compare.

[tedzan]

Are you comparing the characters below the brand "LENOX" with the characters below the brand "CAIRO MONOPOL" ?

If not....then you will NOT get an accurate color comparison.

The boldness of the CAIRO MONOPOL lettering (with respect to the LENOX lettering) creates an illusion that it is darker brown.


TED Z
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[Sean]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Ted, I have a great eye...the Lenox isn't as dark as the Cairo. Perhaps Sean can post a hi-res, non-fuzzy scan, then we can properly compare.

Sorry Mike, I know that it's not very good, but that's the only scanner that I have.

[MVSNYC]

Sean, no sweat...you have such great cards, might be worth investing $100 in a good scanner.

Ted, yes, I looked at the small type as well. Not as dark on the Lenox.

PS- can you confirm my earlier question, if a player has a Red Hindu back, does that exclude him from having a Brown Hindu back?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Sean, no sweat...you have such great cards, might be worth investing $100 in a good scanner.

Ted, yes, I looked at the small type as well. Not as dark on the Lenox.

PS- can you confirm my earlier question, if a player has a Red Hindu back, does that exclude him from having a Brown Hindu back?

Yes, if a player has a Red Hindu, he cannot also have a Brown Hindu back, and vice versa.

[MVSNYC]

Thanks Sean. That's what I figured, just wanted to confirm 100%...I've only been collecting T206 for 25 years, I should know that.