1967 Topps high # "unofficial" price guide

[glynparson]

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

[rsdill2]

Originally Posted by glynparson

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

Totally agree. My "price guide" is essentially an if you can buy an EX or better copy at that price, do it.

[parkerj33]

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

[rsdill2]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

I think the 583 Barker $15 is pretty close. Checking ebay recent sales there's over a dozen that have sold for < $20 including several solid raw examples and even a PSA 5 that sold for $20 BIN. Again, my prices listed are what I consider a "don't pass up" price. If you can buy an EX or better one at that price, do it.

[TheNightmanCometh]

I just completed my '67 Topps Braves run and the 546 Woodward and 591 Cline were two of the last cards I got because the pricing was always more than I wanted to spend; I mean $20+ for a centered common just because it's a high number? I just couldn't pull the trigger. Thankfully, with a lot of patience, I was able to get both for $11 and $13 respectively. I would definitely put the Woodward as EX, but the Cline could definitely grade better; and both were centered so I'm more than thrilled with that outcome.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

I have been working on this set for a while, and other than the Mantle and Seaver, the high numbers are what is slowing my progress. I'm not too condition conscious, but some of the cards are hotly contested even in less than perfect shape.
I really enjoy reading the information found on this board, and recently found this thread, and the above post has me confused. There are 75 cards from 534-609, yet the post suggests printing "all 88". Am I missing something? I'm guessing there's a simple explanation, but my mind isn't as sharp as it used to be.
Thanks in advance for any help.

[parkerj33]

My mistake, there are 77 cards in the 7th series, the 66 from 534-609 + the 7th series checklist #531 (which was printed on 6th series sheets AND on 7th series sheets). Its all there in dave hornish's blog post linked above as post #4.

[parkerj33]

By the way, one VERY likely reason that Rich Klein's data from the vending hoard find regarding cards less printed than others (like brooks) is that many times topps will offer vending lots that only come FROM ONE HALF sheet. I see this today with some Heritage offerings where large retail excess product that i have access too at deep discounts cards from one entire 110 card half-sheet run printed in much lower quantities.

now its still a mystery to me why topps would be missing half the print run, but its also possible that back in 1967 there was another vending case "find" that represented the other half sheet.....that was consumed by the public long before it was around to be found.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by glynparson

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

Me too. I have built two 67 sets in the last 3 years and auctions and set breaks are really competitive. Most of those seem like some of the VG+ stale BIN prices honestly. If this is as you said "see that price grab it" then yes, absolutely. I've never seen a Belanger at that price but I haven't had to look in about a year...THANK GOODNESS...lol.

I think it needs to be said that prices are pretty strong on some of the 6th Series cards as well. Shoendists and McCarver come to mind...very auction competitive...

[Rich Klein]

Red S and Tim M are higher priced for 2 reasons

1) I think they are legit harder in that series

2) They are both popular Cardinals and for whatever reason the 6th series did NOT hit the St Louis area in 1967 -- but the 7th series was released in much larger than expected quantities for a final series. I suspect the 7th series has something to do with the Cardinals coasting to the NL Pennant and then the World Series win versus the Red Sox (probably the last time I ever rooted for the Red Sox other than 75 vs the Reds)

Yes, anything is possible with the 67 Hi series and yes I bet some of the "Tougher" cards are cheap at the listed price but that list approaches realty for the most part.

[Harliduck]

Rich...great stuff and thanks for that info, makes a lot of sense.

There is a trend, especially in commons, for certain years for certain teams to carry a slight premium -

1964 - Mets
1968 - Tigers
1969 - Mets

I am sure there are more but 67 in Cardinals in general would probably make that list. Crazy to learn an entire market didn't get a series of cards. No different than my childhood with 75 Topps...I didn't see a large card until a show in the late 80s...all we had were mini's. And those dreaded OPeeCHee cards (I lived close to the border north of Seattle)...we hated them..ripped them up and threw them out...haha...I still have a few beaters in my childhood collection from the late 70's....

Thanks again for that...I love that info

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Rich...great stuff and thanks for that info, makes a lot of sense.

There is a trend, especially in commons, for certain years for certain teams to carry a slight premium -

1964 - Mets
1968 - Tigers
1969 - Mets

I am sure there are more but 67 in Cardinals in general would probably make that list. Crazy to learn an entire market didn't get a series of cards. No different than my childhood with 75 Topps...I didn't see a large card until a show in the late 80s...all we had were mini's. And those dreaded OPeeCHee cards (I lived close to the border north of Seattle)...we hated them..ripped them up and threw them out...haha...I still have a few beaters in my childhood collection from the late 70's....

Thanks again for that...I love that info

Don't you mean 62 Mets The only interesting thing about 64 Mets is ALL the high numbers they have. Oh and the Tim Harkness #45 card is far easier than Amado Samuel (#128)

Rich

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Don't you mean 62 Mets The only interesting thing about 64 Mets is ALL the high numbers they have. Oh and the Tim Harkness #45 card is far easier than Amado Samuel (#128)

Rich

I'm putting my first 1962 Topps together now, and I haven't noticed any premium on Mets...yet?

I am on my second 64 set...I have a few cards in my notes on common cards like -

#95 George Altman
#345 Frank Thomas
#361 Jay Hook
#422 Jack Fisher
#447 Mike Joyce
#442 Pumpsie Green
#457 Jessie Gonder

All seem to carry a premium over non Met commons...just my observations? There is no doubt on #477 Joyce...this must be a SP card.

Sorry to hijack the thread a little. BlackandGold...I do believe I have some VGish 67 highs sitting in my "lot" boxes. I will see what I have and PM you later in the week when I get back home.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I'm putting my first 1962 Topps together now, and I haven't noticed any premium on Mets...yet?

I am on my second 64 set...I have a few cards in my notes on common cards like -

#95 George Altman
#345 Frank Thomas
#361 Jay Hook
#422 Jack Fisher
#447 Mike Joyce
#442 Pumpsie Green
#457 Jessie Gonder

All seem to carry a premium over non Met commons...just my observations? There is no doubt on #477 Joyce...this must be a SP card.

Sorry to hijack the thread a little. BlackandGold...I do believe I have some VGish 67 highs sitting in my "lot" boxes. I will see what I have and PM you later in the week when I get back home.

Hey John,
No worries! Thanks for checking for me, I really appreciate it.
Todd, let me know if you decide to sell. What 61's do you need, and what condition are you looking for? I don't have a lot of them, but I'll be happy to check for you.
Matt

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I'm putting my first 1962 Topps together now, and I haven't noticed any premium on Mets...yet?

I am on my second 64 set...I have a few cards in my notes on common cards like -

#95 George Altman
#345 Frank Thomas
#361 Jay Hook
#422 Jack Fisher
#447 Mike Joyce
#442 Pumpsie Green
#457 Jessie Gonder

All seem to carry a premium over non Met commons...just my observations? There is no doubt on #477 Joyce...this must be a SP card.

Sorry to hijack the thread a little. BlackandGold...I do believe I have some VGish 67 highs sitting in my "lot" boxes. I will see what I have and PM you later in the week when I get back home.

Interesting, when I lived in NY I dealt very heavily in Mets cards and this makes sense but none of these were super popular compared to 62 or 69. My memory does seem to indicate these are slightly harder in their series than other 64's. I'll throw Harkness in there as well.

Rich

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Me too. I have built two 67 sets in the last 3 years and auctions and set breaks are really competitive. Most of those seem like some of the VG+ stale BIN prices honestly. If this is as you said "see that price grab it" then yes, absolutely. I've never seen a Belanger at that price but I haven't had to look in about a year...THANK GOODNESS...lol.

I think it needs to be said that prices are pretty strong on some of the 6th Series cards as well. Shoendists and McCarver come to mind...very auction competitive...

I updated my want list last night, and I am done with 1-533, except for Mantle, but still need 42 high numbers, including Seaver. I checked some cards on Ebay last night, and got sticker shock on some of them, and noticed that many had no VG examples, which is what I'm after. Time to do some searching.
I know I will eventually finish this off, but it looks like it may take a little longer than I thought.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

I updated my want list last night, and I am done with 1-533, except for Mantle, but still need 42 high numbers, including Seaver. I checked some cards on Ebay last night, and got sticker shock on some of them, and noticed that many had no VG examples, which is what I'm after. Time to do some searching.
I know I will eventually finish this off, but it looks like it may take a little longer than I thought.

There were some low priced 67 highs on BST and they didn't last long. I have a bunch of dupes, but I'll probably sell them in a lot with my lows, lest I be stuck with the lows. Still stuck at 2 for the set...

535 Donn Clenendon
586 Manny Jimenez

The 61s are the ones that are killing me right now. I am trying to finish it (birth year set) but it's a grind.