New additions to the w590 Boxing Strip cards checklist???

[SMPEP]

If this checklist is still accurate ... this means that it is possible that Goldstein and Renault were mistakenly attributed to the W580 set when they shouldn't have been ... BUT Owen Moran, Tommie Ryan, and Jimmy Wilde are not listed in either set.

Does anyone have a w590 card of Owen Moran, Tommie Ryan or Jimmy Wilde?

Cheers,
Patrick

[wake.up.the.echoes]

It has been a while since I visited these sets (w580 and w590) but this worthpoint link is the only reference I have ever seen to Tommy Ryan in either set. I used to have the image saved but this was three computers ago. I also abandoned collecting these sets but I could be willing to dive in again. Anyway, here's the link: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...garettes-tommy

[Exhibitman]

Strollers is a type card I'd love to stumble across.

Although I've published it repeatedly people and especially graders do not seem to understand that there was a W580 parallel tobacco issue in Siam [Thailand]. Here is a side by side of a Siamese card [L] and a W580:



Besides the obvious cutting differences--the Siamese cards are machine cut--the other key differentiating factor is the card stock. The Siamese cards are printed on a thin white stock with a finished front and back, so both sides are white-ish and there is some gloss to the fronts. They feel like E120 and related E issues. W580s are made of chipboard with one side finished and there is normally no gloss apparent. W580s are also nominally thicker and coarser than the Siamese cards.

A final good indicator is where the cards come from. The Siamese cards were almost certainly a British tobacco issue for export ciggies, so they are often found from UK sellers. I've also picked up several groups from Thailand and Malaysia and Singapore.

In terms of rarity, the Siamese cards are many, many times more difficult to find than the W580s. I would classify them as equivalent in rarity to T219 Red Cross. They are the sort of card you stumble across.

Hunting these down in eBay is also tricky. In scans it is often tough to tell whether a card is just really nicely cut or a Siamese card. The grading companies do not know the difference, though I plan to send SGC and PSA an explanatory memo when I post a version of this to my blog.

[wake.up.the.echoes]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Strollers is a type card I'd love to stumble across.

Although I've published it repeatedly people and especially graders do not seem to understand that there was a W580 parallel tobacco issue in Siam [Thailand]. Here is a side by side of a Siamese card [L] and a W580:



Besides the obvious cutting differences--the Siamese cards are machine cut--the other key differentiating factor is the card stock. The Siamese cards are printed on a thin white stock with a finished front and back, so both sides are white-ish and there is some gloss to the fronts. They feel like E120 and related E issues. W580s are made of chipboard with one side finished and there is normally no gloss apparent. W580s are also nominally thicker and coarser than the Siamese cards.

A final good indicator is where the cards come from. The Siamese cards were almost certainly a British tobacco issue for export ciggies, so they are often found from UK sellers. I've also picked up several groups from Thailand and Malaysia and Singapore.

In terms of rarity, the Siamese cards are many, many times more difficult to find than the W580s. I would classify them as equivalent in rarity to T219 Red Cross. They are the sort of card you stumble across.

Hunting these down in eBay is also tricky. In scans it is often tough to tell whether a card is just really nicely cut or a Siamese card. The grading companies do not know the difference, though I plan to send SGC and PSA an explanatory memo when I post a version of this to my blog.

Great information, Adam, as usual. I was fortunate to complete the "known" set of 60 cards in both versions (Siam and regular) and can attest to the difficulty in tracking down the Siam cards before selling them both. I might have been missing a card or two in each but between the 2 I probably had 117/120 and one complete "set" between the two. I think I might give it a whirl again. I cannot wait to read your blog post on the subject.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Very sorry to bump this old thread, but I am wondering if this is the Jack Johnson from the W590 set. Can anyone confirm this please.

Thanks a lot


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[Exhibitman]

Looks like a W590.