Theories About the Existence of High Grade Vintage

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

What is this "" other Wagner pose that they discussed in this article ??

It was a card with an E95 Wagner front and a T206 Piedmont 350 back that briefly made a big splash in the hobby in late 1975 and early 1976. Below is an article about it that was reprinted in the following issue of SCD (2/15/76). A couple of months after this, one of the owners decided to try soaking it in water, and the E95 back showed through. It was just an E95 Wagner with a Piedmont back pasted on.

[Iron Horse]

Great read and subject matter. I for one want to believe that these cards from the early 1900's did survive in 8's and 9's. However, i feel that at least half of them are somehow trimmed since over sized cards were not uncommon.
Hope i will be proven wrong.
Wonder if the card doctors out there reading this thread are falling off their chairs by laughing so hard

[CW]

Just to give an idea of how some cards survived so well over the years, here are some photos of Lionel Carter's collection still housed on their pages. Notice the removable tabs holding the corners. While not every old school collector paid so much attention to condition, Mr. Carter's collection shows how some of those high grade cards can still exist (Another great way to preserve a card over the years is to have it hidden between the pages of a book).

[1880nonsports]

in the SCD article where it says Tom used government paper restorers using sophisticated equipment. While it was long before today's TPA's and certified court examiners - it reveals incompetence and/or fraud aren't a modern invention.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

I love the part in the SCD article where it says Tom used government paper restorers using sophisticated equipment. While it was long before today's TPA's and certified court examiners - it reveals incompetence and/or fraud aren't a modern invention.

My assumption is that it was incompetence rather than fraud. Or not even incompetence, really -- maybe they were just asked to test whether it was old cardboard, and they correctly reported that it was, but they didn't consider the possibility that it was an old, skinned T206 back attached to an old E95. The alternation may well have been done back around 1910, for all anybody knows. I wonder where that card is now -- it would be interesting to have somebody from one of the TPGs take a look at it with their modern equipment, to get a better idea how it came to be.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by CW

Just to give an idea of how some cards survived so well over the years, here are some photos of Lionel Carter's collection still housed on their pages. Notice the removable tabs holding the corners.

Fantastic photos there, thanks for posting those. This is exactly how my father kept his vintage cards in the 60's and 70's. In-fact I just threw away a lot of his old albums and archived what's left into more modern protection methods.