53 Topps Mantle SGC 88 on Goodwin

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

it cant be argued that PSA likely sell for more dollar for dollar versus SGC if same grade assigned for exactly the same card...

It can't? Actually, it can, but you are another recent forum entity who generalizes about PSA using anecdotal stories.

If you sell cards on eBay, your cards will sell for whatever they sell for and we won't know if they actually achieved a certain price or if the buyer welched or if the seller shill bid on them, etc., etc. In other words, stop using eBay to make your point. Please.

How about you buy the cards you want and stop telling us why we should "use" PSA?

Bill

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bcornell

It can't? Actually, it can, but you are another recent forum entity who generalizes about PSA using anecdotal stories.

If you sell cards on eBay, your cards will sell for whatever they sell for and we won't know if they actually achieved a certain price or if the buyer welched or if the seller shill bid on them, etc., etc. In other words, stop using eBay to make your point. Please.

How about you buy the cards you want and stop telling us why we should "use" PSA?

Bill

You don't have to use PSA can use what you want...but you lose credibility if you believe SGCs sell for the same as PSA ....I will also say that raw cards also sell for less than cards that are graded...don't have any empirical evidence but I think you would lose credibility if you argued on that issue as well..

I do point out on major cards at auctions (including ebay and other places) from time to time..to show what cards sold for in SGC and PSA holders...not sure how that's bad for the hobby to let people know..... I do buy SGC cards sometimes depending on the circumstances ..

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

you lose credibility if you believe SGCs sell for the same as PSA..

I lose credibility with you? I'm going to be okay with that. I hope you're still in the hobby in a few weeks.

Bill

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bcornell

I lose credibility with you? I'm going to be okay with that. I hope you're still in the hobby in a few weeks.

Bill

was talking everyone that reads your posts you will lose credibility with...im nothing compared to you im sure, I just go out on a big limb when stating that PSA is preferable in the resell market than SGC....

why not make it a poll question.. as to if its the same exact card but one is in a SGC holder versus PSA...would the buyer pay more for the PSA , less or equal...I know I making an outrageous claim when I think more people will pick PSA but lets see..

by the way are you going to argue against my belief that the same exact card raw sells for less than if was a graded card with sgc or psa....or do I need evidence for that too.... if I don't need evidence for that then it proves we don't need evidence for things that are obvious...ie. things you lose credibility with if argue the opposite

[glynparson]

In almost all cases PSA will outsell SGC. If the 1953 Mantle crosses to PSA it will sell for more. I have a friend who was looking for one he had a client at 50K on a PSA 8. Pretending SGC generally does not sell for less than PSA in most cases is just that pretending. The vast majority of full time graded card dealers use PSA and there is a reason for it. They sell for more money. SGC is generally a very fine company but this board sometimes advances some ideas about them that just are not true. I have heard some claim every SGC card would grade higher with PSA that is false I have heard some claim they are tougher on T206 I also feel that is false. Is SGC more consistent of course when you have had two vintage graders for almost 15 years that are the same, you are going to be more consistent. They also have less mistakes of course they do they've graded less than 10% of what PSA has graded. Again SGC is a fine alternative to PSA if you prefer their customer service or holders. Also their are some outlier issues where they may outsell PSA Old Judges come to mind but across the board issue for issue it is generally not close. So if you are a collector go with either one but if you want to maximize sales Id say 9 out of 10 times PSA will get you more money. Just because one prefers elements of SGC does not make their cards sell for more. PS I have bought cards from Kevin and found him to be knowledgable, honest, and very fair. For the record I would not have paid him what I did for the cards i purchased had they been in SGC and not PSA holders.
Pss From the looks of the scan I have no problem with the 8 grade as I think the chipping may be from the factory cut, at least it looks that way in the scans to me.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glynparson

In almost all cases PSA will outsell SGC. If the 1953 Mantle crosses to PSA it will sell for more. I have a friend who was looking for one he had a client at 50K on a PSA 8. Pretending SGC generally does not sell for less than PSA in most cases is just that pretending. The vast majority of full time graded card dealers use PSA and there is a reason for it. They sell for more money. SGC is generally a very fine company but this board sometimes advances some ideas about them that just are not true. I have heard some claim every SGC card would grade higher with PSA that is false I have heard some claim they are tougher on T206 I also feel that is false. Is SGC more consistent of course when you have had two vintage graders for almost 15 years that are the same, you are going to be more consistent. They also have less mistakes of course they do they've graded less than 10% of what PSA has graded. Again SGC is a fine alternative to PSA if you prefer their customer service or holders. Also their are some outlier issues where they may outsell PSA Old Judges come to mind but across the board issue for issue it is generally not close. So if you are a collector go with either one but if you want to maximize sales Id say 9 out of 10 times PSA will get you more money. Just because one prefers elements of SGC does not make their cards sell for more. PS I have bought cards from Kevin and found him to be knowledgable, honest, and very fair. For the record I would not have paid him what I did for the cards i purchased had they been in SGC and not PSA holders.
Pss From the looks of the scan I have no problem with the 8 grade as I think the chipping may be from the factory cut, at least it looks that way in the scans to me.

Right they are pretending....as for shilling on ebay, at least we can see bid history..on the big AHs we don't know squat....it not like there isn't shilling at other AH..plus ebay you can see if its just 2 bidders bringing up the price at a certain price point or if its 5 or so bidders..i know I would be interested in buying a card where there were 7 unique bidders on the last ebay auction that bid over that hypothetical amount..yes all the 7 accounts could be faked I guess but at another AH you have no idea how many unique bidders would of been over that hypothethical price point and yeah that could be shilled as well....nothing is perfect , you use information that you get and make a decision......I just tired of the ebay talk of shilling when at least you have a chance to partially assess it versus zero assessment with other auction houses..

also getting tired of people trying to hear people 'pretend' as you say that SGC cards sell for PSA prices on average............ I never seen a PSA listed card on ebay on the listing also put 'like an SGC'....but I see tons of SGC cards talk about being able to cross the card and put PSA?...

[Peter_Spaeth]

One thing missing from Glyn's and Jake's analysis is that the same card may well grade higher by SGC in this day and age where PSA is being extremely (and many would say overly) harsh particularly on postwar. For example I have some recent PSA 6s that for all the world look near mint to me and comparable to older (and not THAT much older) PSA 7s. So the apples to apples comparison may be (for example) PSA 6 to SGC 7 at least in some cases.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bcornell

It can't? Actually, it can, but you are another recent forum entity who generalizes about PSA using anecdotal stories.

If you sell cards on eBay, your cards will sell for whatever they sell for and we won't know if they actually achieved a certain price or if the buyer welched or if the seller shill bid on them, etc., etc. In other words, stop using eBay to make your point. Please.

How about you buy the cards you want and stop telling us why we should "use" PSA?

Bill

never mnd...

[irv]

Interesting reading, including that 11 pg link above.

Still not sure however, mainly due the current value of the CDN dollar and the fact I have to ship them, who I will use?

$700.00, likely, for PSA to grade my Mantle doesn't sound too enticing, especially since (I believe?) I have a few more that might cost me that much as well?

Disappointed there is no place in Canada (SGC or PSA) that grades cards but I understand that as likely there isn't a whole of money to be made up here compared to the U.S.?

Thanks for the good read guys.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ksagrading.ca/

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

http://www.ksagrading.ca/

You got me again!

Thanks Peter!