Extremely worrisome possible trend.

[polakoff]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't mean to sound argumentative, but what possible arguments could be made in favor of allowing the sale of cracked out flips? That someone collects flips or just wanted a flip from a high end card? I don't buy it.

You should.

I'm a player collector of Chris Coghlan and given that I have almost all of his easy-to-obtain stuff I have to go for the obscure...which isn't that plentiful given that he's somewhat of an obscure player to begin with. If a loose flip of his popped up on ebay I'd buy it in a second if the price were reasonable. Why? I can't even tell you. I just know that if there's something of his that I don't have, I want it, even if it isn't catalogued.

Just like people buy expired and USED redemptions (I'm guilty here too), people will buy these. My guess is the buyer intends to break the lot up. Of all the Rose collectors in the world, there has to be someone interested in a flip. Likewise for the other guys. Check out "expired redemption" on ebay and notice all the sales. This is the same thing, except that there are theoretically hundreds of expired redemptions out there...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kris-Bryant-...8AAOSwbdpWYIej <---that's for a USED redemption! The market for ANYTHING unique is there. I wouldn't automatically jump to malice on the part of the buyers and sellers involved with these.

[Leon]

I didn't really think collectors would collect old flips just to collect them. Naive me....

Originally Posted by polakoff

You should.

I'm a player collector of Chris Coghlan and given that I have almost all of his easy-to-obtain stuff I have to go for the obscure...which isn't that plentiful given that he's somewhat of an obscure player to begin with. If a loose flip of his popped up on ebay I'd buy it in a second if the price were reasonable. Why? I can't even tell you. I just know that if there's something of his that I don't have, I want it, even if it isn't catalogued.

Just like people buy expired and USED redemptions (I'm guilty here too), people will buy these. My guess is the buyer intends to break the lot up. Of all the Rose collectors in the world, there has to be someone interested in a flip. Likewise for the other guys. Check out "expired redemption" on ebay and notice all the sales. This is the same thing, except that there are theoretically hundreds of expired redemptions out there...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kris-Bryant-...8AAOSwbdpWYIej <---that's for a USED redemption! The market for ANYTHING unique is there. I wouldn't automatically jump to malice on the part of the buyers and sellers involved with these.

[Buythatcard]

Maybe one way to prevent people from reusing labels is to have an expiration date on each card that is graded. If you own a graded card whether you submitted it or not, you would just use some app to scan in the whole slab to register it again. The app would check it against its database to make sure the card matches the original one that was graded. If it does, them the it would extend the expiration date.

It's a far fetched idea but one never knows.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by polakoff

You should.

I'm a player collector of Chris Coghlan and given that I have almost all of his easy-to-obtain stuff I have to go for the obscure...which isn't that plentiful given that he's somewhat of an obscure player to begin with. If a loose flip of his popped up on ebay I'd buy it in a second if the price were reasonable. Why? I can't even tell you. I just know that if there's something of his that I don't have, I want it, even if it isn't catalogued.

Just like people buy expired and USED redemptions (I'm guilty here too), people will buy these. My guess is the buyer intends to break the lot up. Of all the Rose collectors in the world, there has to be someone interested in a flip. Likewise for the other guys. Check out "expired redemption" on ebay and notice all the sales. This is the same thing, except that there are theoretically hundreds of expired redemptions out there...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kris-Bryant-...8AAOSwbdpWYIej <---that's for a USED redemption! The market for ANYTHING unique is there. I wouldn't automatically jump to malice on the part of the buyers and sellers involved with these.

Even so, I think the risk for fraud outweighs the benefit to the few out there who would collect flips. The point someone else made about certificates or letters of authenticity sales not being allowed for the same reasons makes sense to me. I believe these flips should fall into that same category.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by polakoff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kris-Bryant-...8AAOSwbdpWYIej <---that's for a USED redemption! The market for ANYTHING unique is there. I wouldn't automatically jump to malice on the part of the buyers and sellers involved with these.

At least that's a card issued by Topps, I understand why there would be a market for that.

I don't understand collecting flips, but to each his own.

[the 'stache]

I think dismissing this because it's "only" BCCG is dangerous thinking. I doubt many members of this forum buy BCCG-graded cards, as we have a higher level of hobby sophistication. But what about the parents of kids who have expressed an interest in collecting for the first time? They might go online to EBay, searching for a birthday or Christmas present, and decide upon a BCCG 10 card of their kid's favorite player. Neither they, or their kid, will have any clue that they have been duped.

Are we looking to protect only ourselves, or everybody that might want to venture into baseball card collecting? This kind of abhorrent behavior has no place in our hobby. Period.