Pete Rose Poll

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by tschock

So it sounds like you are equating PED use to cheating. Is that a fair assumption? If so, should those who took greenies or cheated in other manners be banished as well?

The funny thing is that what was taken by most or at least some of the players was COMPLETLEY LEGAL.

I don't remember nor do I care to research whatever McGwire had taken or had admitted to taking but it was 100% legal during his playing career.

So I think there may be that thin line there. They're being ridiculed as Rose is however, what Rose did WAS ILLEGAL and he damn well knew about it.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

The funny thing is that what was taken by most or at least some of the players was COMPLETLEY LEGAL.

I don't remember nor do I care to research whatever McGwire had taken or had admitted to taking but it was 100% legal during his playing career.

So I think there may be that thin line there. They're being ridiculed as Rose is however, what Rose did WAS ILLEGAL and he damn well knew about it.

Exactly! And taking or providing amphetamines without a prescription was a federal crime since 1971. Contrary to what some rosy-colored glass wearers would have you believe, they should be considered as performance enhancing drugs because that is exactly what they did. There are also a number of baseball execs who see them as a bigger problem that steroids as well.

I've posed this question before: If Bonds hit a home run of Clemens, or Clemens struck out Bonds, should that be considered a 'level playing field'? At least if you discounted just those kinds of confrontations, it might make sense. But how do you credit back a strikeout from Clemens to a batter who might not have taken steroids. Or a HR from a pitcher to Bonds. The idea of picking and choosing which records to ignore is just downright silly.

"Simply stating Bonds hit more home runs during his playing career than anyone else in MLB, though this was done during a time of rampant PED and steroid use, including by Bonds himself" or something similar should suffice.

[2dueces]

Every locker room in every sport has a sign that says "You bet on (insert sport here) you lose everything.
He did it, he got caught and he got what he deserves. End of story.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

The funny thing is that what was taken by most or at least some of the players was COMPLETLEY LEGAL.

I don't remember nor do I care to research whatever McGwire had taken or had admitted to taking but it was 100% legal during his playing career.

So I think there may be that thin line there. They're being ridiculed as Rose is however, what Rose did WAS ILLEGAL and he damn well knew about it.

This is not true. What Bonds, McGwire, etc. took was completely illegal. I think what you are confusing is when McGwire was seen as using Andro in 1998 and when it was revealed later that he took other steroids which were not. Mike Piazza is known to have used Andro when it was legal and there is no evidence of his illegal steroid use. He is getting far more hof support than those who are known to have used illegal steroids. It is similar with greenies.

You claim that greenies are illegal has no support. The federal government has to my knowledge never tried to prosecute teams or players on this issue. They have gone after steroids, BALCO, and cocaine, Pittsburgh drug trials. Teams had doctors to prescribe these and amphetamines are easily obtainable legally. They have been prescribed for diet or ADHD and in general are safe to use, unlike steroids.

Those who are charged with determining hof worthiness have determined that gambling, Joe Jackson, and steroids, Bonds and Clemens, are offenses that exclude offenders from the hof. It seems perfectly reasonable to me. Not all offenses are equal, but you want to even include players like Aaron, who admitted to trying greenies once, or Schmidt, who tried them a couple times, with hardcore dopers like Bonds or McGwire. That is what doesn't make sense to me.

[Joshchisox08]

Yes Android was what I was talking about. I'm unaware of anything he took that was illegal.

Either way I'm not ashamed to say I liked and still like McGwire and Sosa. They did a Shit ton for the sport after a strike and they were pampered and then shit all over after MLB reaped the benefits. For the 98 season alone they'd have my vote well over Rose.

[KCRfan1]

Loved McGwire! I've mentioned this before, but that AS HR contest at Fenway with McGwire at the plate was epic! Just turn down the sound so you don't have to listen to Berman. Agreed that McGwire and Sosa did a ton for the sport, and brought fan and non-fan interest back in the game.