Pete Rose Poll

[Joshchisox08]

Pete you forgot to mention that they are in the news every week for a shooting, battery, assault, domestic violence, murder, etc.

So in addition to getting away with PED's and other drugs they get away with all of that as well.

I to this day can't comprehend why anyone would support a league or organization full of criminals that go widely unpunished.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Pete you forgot to mention that they are in the news every week for a shooting, battery, assault, domestic violence, murder, etc.

So in addition to getting away with PED's and other drugs they get away with all of that as well.

I to this day can't comprehend why anyone would support a league or organization full of criminals that go widely unpunished.

+1

[GaryPassamonte]

No. On the field, Pete Rose epitomized what a ballplayer should be. Off the field, he broke the cardinal rule. Rose's case is the biggest tragedy in the history of baseball.

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Rose's case is the biggest tragedy in the history of baseball.

Personally, I think Bonds's case may be the biggest tragedy in the history of baseball, if by tragedy you mean one that is self-inflicted (as opposed to someone like Gehrig or Clemente or, say, what happened to Kirby Puckett). Bonds was a first ballot Hall of Famer before he took steroids, but jealousy and hubris too over, and now he will always be tarnished. It's like one of those legends from the Greek myths.

[Joshchisox08]

Personally, I think Bonds's case may be the biggest tragedy in the history of baseball, if by tragedy you mean one that is self-inflicted (as opposed to someone like Gehrig or Clemente or, say, what happened to Kirby Puckett). Bonds was a first ballot Hall of Famer before he took steroids, but jealousy and hubris too over, and now he will always be tarnished. It's like one of those legends from the Greek myths.

How does anyone know when Bonds started taking steroids?

[pbspelly]

Fair point, there's no way to know for sure. But I think most people in baseball believe Bonds did not start taking steroids until sometime after the McGwire/Sosa home run record season. Based on his physique, power surge, and other evidence.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Fair point, there's no way to know for sure. But I think most people in baseball believe Bonds did not start taking steroids until sometime after the McGwire/Sosa home run record season. Based on his physique, power surge, and other evidence.

He clearly did, but he was equally clearly an obvious HOFer already.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

Fair point, there's no way to know for sure. But I think most people in baseball believe Bonds did not start taking steroids until sometime after the McGwire/Sosa home run record season. Based on his physique, power surge, and other evidence.

Bonds' power surge began in 1993 when he hit more HRs than Willie McCovey and more HRs than Mays, except 1965, ever in Candlestick. And 1994 when he was on pace to break Mays' team record for HRs and teammate Matt Williams was on pace to break Maris' MLB HR record.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Pete you forgot to mention that they are in the news every week for a shooting, battery, assault, domestic violence, murder, etc.

So in addition to getting away with PED's and other drugs they get away with all of that as well.

I to this day can't comprehend why anyone would support a league or organization full of criminals that go widely unpunished.

Just my opinion and it's worth less than two cents, but given the essentially violent nature of football, which deny it or not is a large part of its appeal, I don't think we really expect these guys to be normal the way we expect the same of baseball players -- who we relate to on a more personal level, because for the most part they are the same size as us, they don't wear helmets obscuring their faces, etc. I mean can you really relate to a 325 pound lineman under a helmet the way you relate to a baseball player?

[Joshchisox08]

I suppose you bring up a valid point there Pete. It's just some of the things that make me detest and not be able to relate further to that Organization.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

I suppose you bring up a valid point there Pete. It's just some of the things that make me detest and not be able to relate further to that Organization.

What really bothers me about the NFL is its avoidance of and dancing around the concussion issue and the lip service it pays to caring.

[Joshchisox08]

Well I don't know. People who work at Power Plants know that they may be exposed to health defects.

Players back in the day weren't aware of (at least not to the extent) of what an NFL career could do to their body, but they should be now and they're getting millions as opposed to the earlier players.

Other reason uhhhh how about playing 15 or 16 games (whatever it is) a season and taking FOREVER by playing once a week?