Timeline of Demmitt & O'Hara (St Louis cards). Show us your Demmitt & O'Hara cards

[Sean]

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Hey Ted, this is the worst 3.5 I've ever seen.

[mpemulis]

A little foxing on Demmitt...

[tedzan]

Illustrated here are the 66 subjects that American Lithographic selected to expand into the 460 series. I originally posted this simulation regarding the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards.

This arrangement is also applicable to the POLAR BEAR (PB) print run of the 350/460 series cards. I've identified Simon Nicholls and Bob Rhoades as possible replacements. Their MLB careers
ended prior to the PB print run of this series. My theory is that the St Louis cards of Demmitt and O'Hara replaced these two guys on this sheet in the early phases of this PB print run.


Note....if your screen shows only 6 cards across, reduce its image in order to form a sheet display of 12 cards across by 6 rows down.


v................................................. ....... Super-Prints .................................................. ...v.............................................. .................................................. ................... Nicholls







... Rhoades ...



TED Z
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[sycks22]

O'hara will come out to play

[tedzan]

I'm reprising this post for further clarification.

Illustrated here are the 66 subjects that American Lithographic selected to expand into the 460 series. I originally posted this simulation regarding the SOVEREIGN 350 "apple green" cards.

The arrangement of these 72 cards is arbitrary (I show the 6 super-prints double-printed since T206 survey data and POP report data suggests this). This arrangement is also applicable to
the POLAR BEAR (PB) print run of the 350/460 series cards (circa Summer 1910). Note that I have identified Simon Nicholls and Bob Rhoades as possible replacements. Their MLB careers
ended prior to the PB print run of this series. My theory is that the St Louis cards of Demmitt and O'Hara replaced these two guys on this sheet in the early phases of this 350/460 Series
PB print run.

v.................................... Six super-prints ....................................v










Hey guys......let's see some more Demmitt and O'Hara cards.


TED Z
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[Jantz]

Hi Ted

I would agree with your theory about Nichols. He would be a solid candidate to have been replaced by Demmitt or O'Hara.

Nichols (batting) is one of the toughest cards to find with a Polar Bear back compared to the other 249 Polar Bear cards in the set.

Jantz

[sreader3]

Hi Ted & Jantz,

Interesting theories.

I personally think ATC’s sensitivity to high customer interest in Midwestern teams among Polar Bear (Factory 6, Ohio) customers, particularly interest in the Cleveland Naps and St. Louis Browns and Cardinals,is a common thread that helps explain not only subject swaps in the 350/460 print run but also certain Polar Bear superprinting.

We know Nichols (Batting) and Rhoades (Arm Extended) were original 350/460 subjects who were pulled early from production -- not just from Polar Bear sheets but from all sheets.

We suspect that Demmitt (St. Louis) and O’Hara (St. Louis) were replacement 350/460 subjects on Polar Bear sheets.

And my 350/460 subject sales data show that Joss (Pitching) and Willis (Throwing) are unusually common with Polar Bear. (Let’s call these two “Polar Bear superprints," for short).

Now consider the career trajectories of these guys.

1. Nichols
Nichols was traded to Cleveland during the 1909 offseason and retired in April 1910 after playing only three games with the Tribe, making him a candidate for early removal.

2. Rhoades
Rhoades was a staple in the Cleveland rotation for many years who retired after the 1909 season, making him a candidate for early removal.

3. Demmitt
Demmitt was traded to the Browns during the 1909 offseason, making him a candidate for late addition.

4. O’Hara
O’Hara was acquired by the Cards during the 1909 offseason, making him a candidate for late addition.

5. Willis
Willis was a star hurler who was acquired by the Cards during the 1909 offseason after going 22-11 for the World Champion Pirates in 1909, making him a "Polar Bear superprint" candidate.

6. Joss
Joss was Cleveland’s star hurler for many years who threw his second no hitter in April 1910, making him a "Polar Bear superprint" candidate.

I don’t know exactly how all the pieces fit, but I do think there is a cause-and-effect relationship between ATC’s sensitivity to Midwestern team favoritism among Polar Bear (Factory 6, Ohio) customers and printing swaps/anomalies in the 350/460 subject group.

Scot

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Sean

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Hey Ted, this is the worst 3.5 I've ever seen.

id say!