2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by packs

I highly doubt Hoffman will get in any time soon. He was more or less Lee Smith 2.0 and he's not in. He never touched Rivera and I don't think anyone remembers him as a shut down clutch pitcher. He was just a guy who got a lot of saves.

Hoffman had a lot more accomplishments and better numbers than Lee Smith did.

[packs]

Any way you want to slice it he's not a top tier HOFer and should have some difficulty getting in. He didn't have cache like say Rollie Fingers or Eckersley did and his reputation is pretty bland, unlike say a Goose Gossage.

[bn2cardz]

With 55 public votes in (representing 12.22%) of the vote it is leaning towards three possible candidates being inducted.

Griffey 100% (55)

Piazza having gained 4 votes from returning voters and a vote from all three new voters sits at 89.1% (49)

Bagwell gained 10 returning votes and all three new voters votes is at 81.8% (45)

Tim Rains is worth mentioning as he is the only other candidate with more than 70% of the vote with 74.5% (41). He has gained 5 votes and is supported by the three new voters.

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[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With 55 public votes in (representing 12.22%) of the vote it is leaning towards three possible candidates being inducted.

Griffey 100% (55)

Piazza having gained 4 votes from returning voters and a vote from all three new voters sits at 89.1% (49)

Bagwell gained 10 returning votes and all three new voters votes is at 81.8% (45)

Tim Rains is worth mentioning as he is the only other candidate with more than 70% of the vote with 74.5% (41). He has gained 5 votes and is supported by the three new voters.

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Looks like we might be getting three electees and if not four then Raines is a slam dunk for 2017.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Looks like we might be getting three electees and if not four then Raines is a slam dunk for 2017.

This is a small sample, though, and after all the public votes were tallied last year, there was still aprox a 5% drop when combined with non public votes for both Bagwell and Piazza. So I would need a player to stay above 80% for me to be optimistic about their inclusion, but it is fun to watch.

Bagwell gaining so many votes among a small sample may be a good sign for him.


As an update:
6 more public ballots have been added to the tracker bringing it to 61 votes (13.56%).
Griffey is still at 100% (I imagine no one would admit to not voting for him and his percentage won't go down until combined with nonpublic votes)

Piazza gained 5 more votes, putting him to 88.5% (54)

Bagwell gained 4 votes, putting him to 80.3%

Raines gained 5 votes, this brought him up to 75.4%

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by packs

Any way you want to slice it he's not a top tier HOFer and should have some difficulty getting in. He didn't have cache like say Rollie Fingers or Eckersley did and his reputation is pretty bland, unlike say a Goose Gossage.

What specifically do you mean by cache and substance?

[packs]

Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by packs

Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.

That argument is persuasive to me. And not to detract from it at all, I'll only add that the Goose and Eck were each on the receiving end of the two most dramatic WS homers of the 1980s...both to Kirk Gibson.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by packs

Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.

Hoffman also is beyond doubt one of the greatest relievers of all time when longevity from a closer is scarce. I know he didn't have the greatest track record, but it's not entirely his fault he never won anything.

[packs]

Yes but there aren't very many relievers in the HOF. You need to be the top of the top. I just don't think he ever was. Lee Smith's not in for the same reason.

[bn2cardz]

I would keep Hoffman out because was too much of a specialist. If he would be inducted he would have the 3rd fewest IP with 1089.1 over an 18year career. The two lower is Sutter with 1042 in 12 years and Paige with 476. With Paige being in for his Negro League play this would put Hoffman 2nd to only Sutter by 47.1 IP with a difference of 6 years of play.

Over Hoffman's 18 year career he had only 54.1 IP more than games played in. With 23 over games played coming in his RC season. This means that in the 17 following seasons he only had 31.1 more IP than games played.

Even L. Smith had only 1 GS and still recorded 267.1 innings more than games played in an 18 year career.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by packs

Yes but there aren't very many relievers in the HOF. You need to be the top of the top. I just don't think he ever was. Lee Smith's not in for the same reason.

Hoffman was better than Smith.