Something weird is going on here.....

[vthobby]

I also noticed some slight differences but how can the cert # be the same?

Mike

[Jobu]

I know nothing about early basketball cards. Is either of these worth a significant amount of $$? There are some pretty convincing fakes out there.

[vthobby]

The PSA 8 sold for $586 earlier this year. It is possible that the PSA 9 could sell for double or more of that price. There is no price info on VCP for a PSA 9 so it will be interesting.

Mike

[pokerplyr80]

My guess is it was sent in for a review and upgraded, so PSA kept the same cert #. I am not aware if this is standard practice. I do not see any obvious signs of either card or flip being a fake.

[bobbyw8469]

Same card....it got a bump. If people are paying a premium, they are buying the flip, and not the card. Nothing has changed on the card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

same card....it got a bump. If people are paying a premium, they are buying the flip, and not the card. Nothing has changed on the card.

if??????

[bobbyw8469]

Not to derail the thread, but could the original submitter instigate a lawsuit against PSA? He paid for a service and got an '8' grade. That placed a monetary value on the card. A subsequent buyer submitted the card for review, got a one grade bump, and now the card is worth a huge premium over what the original submitter got. Why should he lose out because a different grader on a different day determined the exact same card should be worth thousands more?? Just a thought.....

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not to derail the thread, but could the original submitter instigate a lawsuit against PSA? He paid for a service and got an '8' grade. That placed a monetary value on the card. A subsequent buyer submitted the card for review, got a one grade bump, and now the card is worth a huge premium over what the original submitter got. Why should he lose out because a different grader on a different day determined the exact same card should be worth thousands more?? Just a thought.....

I think the fact that they used the SAME exact serial number is an easy way to actually track a card for those possible future scenarios depending on whether one is litigious or not. I can actually see a valid point being made there if upon "bumping" up, lets say the card was a 1952 Topps Mantle where the price difference is not just a few hundred dollars but multiple multiple THOUSANDS. I would be curious what might happen then.......?

Mike

[TanksAndSpartans]

I don't think anything sinister is going on here. I sent in a card for review in the holder and it came back with a higher grade, a new holder, and the same cert number.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by DezHood

I don't think anything sinister is going on here. I sent in a card for review in the holder and it came back with a higher grade, a new holder, and the same cert number.

I agree, no one was implying that. I was just curious as to thoughts on the bump and the fact that the TPG used the same exact serial number but it looks like you had something similar. I was not aware they kept the same serial #.
What grade was your card and what did it bump up to?

Thanks! Mike

[vthobby]

The interesting thing when talking to other collectors about grading and one of the most prevalent themes seems to be that if you send a higher graded vintage card like a PSA 8 that it rarely if ever bumps 1 grade higher. Maybe a .5 bump but a full 1 point upward swing is something I personally have never seen. I mean if a card was once graded a PSA 8 it MUST have something on the card that prevented it from the MINT 9 threshold and for an 8 to then be looked at and Voila it is MINT now just seems a bit weird. Especially with that top right corner.

Mike