How much should I spend on a 1952 topps psa 1 Mantle?

[KCRfan1]

I love the color in example A. The colors pop so much more in example A than example B, inwhich the colors look washed out.

[egri]

I can live with the stains in A, not the muted colors of B.

[begsu1013]

pretty strong finish for a 1951 psa 4.5!

sounds like it "mighta" been a 6 at some point, but the guy cracked it out and resubmitted and lost (maybe). if not, brilliant marketing strategy!

but get's back to the point where people are appreciating the cards vs the flips. gotta be a new high for the grade!

(apologize, used to be able to do links properly, but something is messed up)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...vip=true&rt=nc

EDIT: AND HE INITIALLY THREW IT UP W/ A BIN @ $6500.

[CW]

I think that may be a record for a PSA 4.5, although an SGC 55 sold at REA last summer for $7800.

The auction did have a few red flags, too, like the fact that he had it graded this year yet the holder had no front hologram (I guess early this year they still weren't out?). The seller mentioned he pulled the card from a pack at age 8, and the photo made the holder appear to possibly have some frosting on the right edge. Just seemed like a weird auction. I had a snipe placed and was somewhat relieved it was blown out of the water.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

I think that may be a record for a PSA 4.5, although an SGC 55 sold at REA last summer for $7800.

The auction did have a few red flags, too, like the fact that he had it graded this year yet the holder had no front hologram (I guess early this year they still weren't out?). The seller mentioned he pulled the card from a pack at age 8, and the photo made the holder appear to possibly have some frosting on the right edge. Just seemed like a weird auction. I had a snipe placed and was somewhat relieved it was blown out of the water.

Yeah on the one hand he did post the old flip (I had asked him to but on the other hand the candy store story, the lack of any feedback for a year, and just the whole karma of the auction did not feel reassuring.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah on the one hand he did post the old flip (I had asked him to but on the other hand the candy store story, the lack of any feedback for a year, and just the whole karma of the auction did not feel reassuring.

plus the lack of paperwork he said he had in the questions and answers and wouldn't produce it....it funny though there probably like 5 or 6 guys ..several here from net54 who are the first responders on all new listings....

still though peter there was your centered 4 that you keep asking about on net54....I been waiting on a yellow/red ruth ....maybe someone has a psa 6 ruth they will submit for a bump and it will come back a 4.5 ...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

pretty strong finish for a 1951 psa 4.5!

sounds like it "mighta" been a 6 at some point, but the guy cracked it out and resubmitted and lost (maybe). if not, brilliant marketing strategy!

but get's back to the point where people are appreciating the cards vs the flips. gotta be a new high for the grade!

(apologize, used to be able to do links properly, but something is messed up)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...vip=true&rt=nc

EDIT: AND HE INITIALLY THREW IT UP W/ A BIN @ $6500.

I really doubt the card was real, he said he had paperwork to prove the submittal and then wouldn't provide it ...if trying to sell a high dollar card why say you have something and not provide it...big red flag

..Q: Kind of strange that you re-submitted the card this year yet it doesn't have the new PSA Hologram on the flip. Also I've never heard of a company downgrading a card 1.5 points on a re-submit. If this occurred I assume... Continue reading
A: DAN, THIS CARD IS EXACTALLY AS I GOT IT BACK FROM PSA. I HAVE THE PAPERWORK TO PROVE IT.AND I ALSO HAVE THE ORIGINALGRADING STRIP FROM THE FIRST TIME IT WAS GRADED. AND NO..I DID NOT GET ANY MONEY FROM PSA. THEY EVEN CHARGED... Continue reading


aside from there being a long back story on a key card ie. (found in the attic, got from a storage locker...had it regarded'.....

[begsu1013]

I read that prior to posting which makes me assume it was a crack-out resub, hence the pic of the old flip. psa would never give the flip back.



as for the hologram. I just got cards back yesterday from psa via fedex that didn't have the new label/barcode on the back...

am i missing something on where he never produced paperwork?

and not much recent feedback but looks like he did sell another 51 mantle about a year ago and posi fb left.

hell, who knows.

[MattyC]

Real or not, we are really starting to see the 51B grab some props. What impresses so much about the difficulty of the 51B Mick is the registration problems-- if the Yankee cap isn't blurry, it's the outline of the bat. Then there's the centering. Then there's those two, or sometimes one, vertical lines. It's a major card and also so hard to find a nice one, despite the very misleading overall pop number.

[pokerplyr80]

I actually discussed this one while it was up with another member who was considering it. My thought was that the answers to the questions, will possibly true, were strange to say the least. And I didn't like the face that the only other card he had sold was another 51 Mantle a year ago. Given the uncertainty I'm surprised it closed as high as it did.

Nice card though and certainly an unfortunate downgrade if the story is true. That one probably goes for 4-5k more in a 6 holder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Real or not, we are really starting to see the 51B grab some props. What impresses so much about the difficulty of the 51B Mick is the registration problems-- if the Yankee cap isn't blurry, it's the outline of the bat. Then there's the centering. Then there's those two, or sometimes one, vertical lines. It's a major card and also so hard to find a nice one, despite the very misleading overall pop number.

Gum stains on the back too -- and a slightly blurry face too, and/or washed out color -- believe me I know every damn reason I haven't bought one yet.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

pretty strong finish for a 1951 psa 4.5!

sounds like it "mighta" been a 6 at some point, but the guy cracked it out and resubmitted and lost (maybe). if not, brilliant marketing strategy!

but get's back to the point where people are appreciating the cards vs the flips. gotta be a new high for the grade!

(apologize, used to be able to do links properly, but something is messed up)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...vip=true&rt=nc

EDIT: AND HE INITIALLY THREW IT UP W/ A BIN @ $6500.

the fact the no one bought it at a bin for 6500 still says somethings...I wouldn't be assuming all 4.5s go for 7k now...

[begsu1013]

disagreeing, jake. it's simply another case of the auction factor.

i couldn't even count the number of times the same exact card has been sitting at a BIN (for months) and then it gets auctioned off and absolutely shatters the bin price

but, will agree not all 4.5's will go for $7K. but well centered ones w/o roller marks and that have that eye appeal probably will!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

disagreeing, jake. it's simply another case of the auction factor.

i couldn't even count the number of times the same exact card has been sitting at a BIN (for months) and then it gets auctioned off and absolutely shatters the bin price

but, will agree not all 4.5's will go for $7K. but well centered ones w/o roller marks and that have that eye appeal probably will!

right but there are certain price points that the card would sell at BIN...its becomes more sketchy when need an auction to go over...if that card was listed for $3,000..it sells right? doesn't go to auction.....always a risk to hope to get at a future auction what a card wouldn't sell for on BIN that is close in time...

[begsu1013]

ya lost me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

the fact the no one bought it at a bin for 6500 still says somethings...I wouldn't be assuming all 4.5s go for 7k now...

When it had the BIN he had not posted the flip of the old 6 which lent some measure of credibility.