PSA? I doubt it.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by glynparson

they generally get kicked in the verification from what i have witnessed. plus looking at cards all day you can often tell when one is small even when having 4 factory cut sides. they were generally rejected For like said above swimming to much in the holder. This was also the case at sgc when i worked there though they did have a soft material ruler that was very rarely used. The minimum size is used more for perception than anything. they dont want all the complaints about small stuff because many just assume it is trimmed who don't understand sizes vary sometimes. heck i can remember in the 1980's having some serious size variation from my collection, particularly in 1987.

Both grading companies are currently using some microscope/light setup, that if the light shines on any side it is automatically kicked back. They have kept up with technology (somewhat) and use rulers as a secondary rather than a primary means of measurement.

Once a card is put into a holder the edges become much harder, or impossible to verify if they are trimmed or not. It is easier for both companies to simply kick back any card that is below the "standard" factory cut. This way there is no question as to a possibly trimmed card being put into the holder. To David - It's not about knowledge. It is relatively simple to tell if it is factory cut or trimmed, it is safer (and neither company charges, might I add) to kick back. The standard has been set at 2 1/2 by 3 1/2, so no one will grade anything smaller.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

To David - It's not about knowledge. It is relatively simple to tell if it is factory cut or trimmed, it is safer (and neither company charges, might I add) to kick back. The standard has been set at 2 1/2 by 3 1/2, so no one will grade anything smaller.

Thanks, for the reply, Sean, but what do you mean by safer to kick it back?

Safer how?

[botn]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

This way there is no question as to a possibly trimmed card being put into the holder. To David - It's not about knowledge. It is relatively simple to tell if it is factory cut or trimmed, it is safer (and neither company charges, might I add) to kick back. The standard has been set at 2 1/2 by 3 1/2, so no one will grade anything smaller.

First of all trimmed and altered cards get placed in holders all the time. Far more than any of us would care to think but with that said, both PSA and SGC will absolutely grade cards with factory cuts which measure smaller than the standard size. I know for a fact that both companies will allow for up to 1/16th of an inch to avoid having to reject the card for Min Size.

[vintagetoppsguy]

FWIW, I have never seen SGC reject a card due to minimum size. When PSA does it, they give you back a flip containing the card's information that says MIN SIZE on the flip. What does SGC do?

[botn]

David-They issue a flip with SML, I believe.

Greg

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

FWIW, I have never seen SGC reject a card due to minimum size. When PSA does it, they give you back a flip containing the card's information that says MIN SIZE on the flip. What does SGC do?

I had one rejected for minimum size. Came back in the cardsaver with a flip showing some code like msz or maybe SML like Greg said, and a card with an explanation.
My miscut card they say what edges were unacceptable, and the trimmed one the flip says TRM and the card has written on the trimmed line "trimmed all edges" (Not sure what I was thinking when I sent that one in )

I think that if I hadn't opted out of the "slab as authentic" they'd have all gotten slabbed as "A" so at least for SGC not all A graded cards are equal.

I also believe that they don't want to slab a card with a grade that someone without the knowledge of what a proper edge looks like would consider trimmed. I'm sort of ok with that, but agree that a card is either factory or not and if it is it should get a grade.

I keep the rejection tags with the card. I misplaced the min size card a few years ago and haven't found it yet, but here's the miscut one.



Steve B

[irishdenny]

I recently sent 5 PSA Slabbed cards into SGC for Crossover.
I was very pleased wit the outcome, except fir one card.
Oddly enough, it was the one card in the lot that I hadn't given a thought to
as fir crossover or even the grade that it would receive.

You see... this one card was Originally in an SGC 40/3 Holder.
I only sent to PSA to see if they would bump the Grade!
Unfortunately they didn't bump it, they just put it in a PSA 3 Slab.

So upon return to SGC fir a crossover, I didn't give it a thought
as to them Re holdering into an SGC 40/3 Slab.

Much to my surprise... the card came back wit a note on the invoice stating that "the card didn't meet with the minimum size"...
I don't use a ruler...
I use a caliper!
The card measures 1 1/2 x 2 3/4...

And I Love SGC!!!