PSA? I doubt it.

[ls7plus]

Little point in measuring--can't determine its trimmed that way--have to look at the edges under magnification.

Larry

[vintagetoppsguy]

Exactly, Larry. That's why I said its a scary sight. A grader should never measure a card. If there is any doubt about it being trimmed, the grader should examine the cut pattern under magnification.

[glynparson]

I have never seen a grader use a ruler to measure a card for trimming.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I have never seen a grader use a ruler to measure a card for trimming.

You use a ruler to measure the card for factory miscut and min size. You use your eyes to check for trimming.

Hold the card horizontal to your eyes and bring your eyes from the left of the border to the right of the border. Does it seem wavy at all? Is there any inconsistencies? After you check for that you are going to look at the paper fibers and see if it has a factory stock, if it's smooth (trimmed) or some other method.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

You use a ruler to measure the card for factory miscut and min size. You use your eyes to check for trimming.

Hold the card horizontal to your eyes and bring your eyes from the left of the border to the right of the border. Does it seem wavy at all? Is there any inconsistencies? After you check for that you are going to look at the paper fibers and see if it has a factory stock, if it's smooth (trimmed) or some other method.

That's just it, Sean. Minimum Size Requirement should not even be an option. If a card is short, there are only 1 of 2 possible reasons - either it is trimmed, or it was cut short from the factory. If it was cut short from the factory, but displays characteristics of a factory cut then it should be slabbed. PSA uses that Minimum Size crap as a crutch because they don't have the knowledge to tell if a cut is factory or not.

[Fred]

David - agree with that.

The only thing is when a card is a bit too short or narrow you can tell because it just doesn't quite fit into a PSA holder.

Does PSA have a minimum size requirement for certain cards? If so, then it may be a bad idea to send a card to them if it doesn't meet the minimum requirement.

[glynparson]

they generally get kicked in the verification from what i have witnessed. plus looking at cards all day you can often tell when one is small even when having 4 factory cut sides. they were generally rejected For like said above swimming to much in the holder. This was also the case at sgc when i worked there though they did have a soft material ruler that was very rarely used. The minimum size is used more for perception than anything. they dont want all the complaints about small stuff because many just assume it is trimmed who don't understand sizes vary sometimes. heck i can remember in the 1980's having some serious size variation from my collection, particularly in 1987.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That's just it, Sean. Minimum Size Requirement should not even be an option. If a card is short, there are only 1 of 2 possible reasons - either it is trimmed, or it was cut short from the factory. If it was cut short from the factory, but displays characteristics of a factory cut then it should be slabbed. PSA uses that Minimum Size crap as a crutch because they don't have the knowledge to tell if a cut is factory or not.

+1 there.

Best regards,

Larry