advice Michael Jordan

[chaddurbin]

i've heard psa rejecting trouts in the past and bryants recently...but since jordan is a big ticket item (high authentication fees) i don't think they'd just randomly reject good jordans. we do have a jordan expert here maybe post a scan and he'll chime in.

and the "got it ip" line is one of the most abused lines used in this hobby. you just admitted now that it wasn't ip and you bought it 10 years ago...who's to say if your friend didn't use the same line but he really didn't obtain it himself.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i've heard psa rejecting trouts in the past and bryants recently...but since jordan is a big ticket item (high authentication fees) i don't think they'd just randomly reject good jordans. we do have a jordan expert here maybe post a scan and he'll chime in.

and the "got it ip" line is one of the most abused lines used in this hobby. you just admitted now that it wasn't ip and you bought it 10 years ago...who's to say if your friend didn't use the same line but he really didn't obtain it himself.

Actually what he said was "It was an IP autograph at Arizona fall league- 100% legit." He did not say that he got it in person. A minor point, but I believe a salient one.

[Bpm0014]

Jordan is a very tough sell without the cert. I have about 20-30 Jordan autographs, all in person, and have tried to sell some here without much success. My uncle does bodyguard work for him once a year for the last 15-20 years at a local charity golf event run by Mario Lemieux. I get 2-3 autographs a year from Jordan. It seems like the demand is great for autograph, but not so much without the cert....

[chaddurbin]

would love to own a signed '91 ud of him in the white sox uniform. remember ripping so many packs looking for that card...

[theshleps]

Those of us who are IP collectors who spend 6 weeks a year between fall league and spring training know each other very well and we see each other daily and help each other on sets etc. I know you guys do not know me tho people like Jim Stinson, Ron Gordon, etc know me well. When you are an IP collector you know which of the collectors there to trust and when my friend left the hobby and I bought all he only got stuff in person, not through trades or TTM or purchases as he NEVER did those. The fact JSA rejected it is meaningless as they have rejected many items many of us have gotten in person. I had them reject 2 Ichiro spring training autographs, only to accept them the 2nd time (same authenticator too), same with a Jeter and a few others. Will post the Jordan once it is returned to me. I don't need the $, just not interested in autographs outside of HOF, Jewish, and Beatles, so want to unload it at a fair price.
I wouldn't mind if a company always erred on the side of being cautious and rejected good ones at times but these guys also slab some pretty laughable vintage signed cards and then folks buy them

[drcy]

I don't know. A question is when they reject real autographs do the PSAs say "We can't verify this because we don't know or aren't sure" or do they say "This is fake." There's a difference.

No one is omniscient nor should be expected to be, and, in art authentication, it's perfectly acceptable to say "I don't know." If fact, you're taught to say you don't know when you don't know-- and obviously you shouldn't be issuing an LOA when you don't know. However, proclaiming a real item a forgery or a fake is considered about par with calling a forgery real.