2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[packs]

Those players won't get in. You asked about Bagwell, he's not in because he juiced.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Beatles Guy

Scott: No Bagwell? I really thought he would be a first ballot guy. I did not want to see him walking to the plate with runners on when he was playing the Cardinals.

Originally Posted by packs

Juiced.

Originally Posted by packs

Those players won't get in. You asked about Bagwell, he's not in because he juiced.

Bagwell Juiced? Based off of what? His name has never come up leaked or official. With as good as he is his name would have been at the top of someone's list if there was good reason for it.

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/20...steroids-2001/

[packs]

Based off public opinion. Run a Google search.

[KCRfan1]

So, does Ortiz get in? Fairly wide belief he juiced and I believe actually named, or am I mistaken? Bagwell's been convicted in the court of public opinion and that's it.

[packs]

Ortiz did fail a survey test in 2003. It is well known and substantiated by the player's union. He claims he doesn't know why.

The Astros as an organization are well connected with steroids and PEDs. Caminiti was a good friend of Bagwell. He played on the same teams as Pettite and Clemens, four Astros suspended in 2010, another 3 in 2013, it goes on and on. It may be circumstantial and guilt by association, but it's not something that came out of thin air.

[chaddurbin]

griffey
edgar martinez
bonds
clemens
piazza
mussina
raines

i tend to go with the best players in the era...so bonds and clemens get in from the steroids guys....sosa and mcgwire don't. bonds not in is a bigger injustice than joe jax or pete rose. no ortiz or bagwell for juice.

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

griffey
edgar martinez
bonds
clemens
piazza
mussina
raines

i tend to go with the best players in the era...so bonds and clemens get in from the steroids guys....sosa and mcgwire don't. bonds not in is a bigger injustice than joe jax or pete rose. no ortiz or bagwell for juice.

Not a Sosa guy.. but he was one of the biggest offensive threats of that era. 600+ home runs, 1600+ RBI's, 1400+ runs... Pretty impressive.

As far as McGwire I think a lot of people see him as a one dimensional Dave Kingman type who only hit homers. But if you look at his stats later in his career you see that he becomes a much better hitter. Look at the how OBP and walk totals improve and he starts to hit for much better average other than the seasons with major injuries. I also think he was a pretty decent defensive player for a guy his size. Lets not forget he was a 12 time all-star in his 16 year career.

I am also of the opinion that the McGwire/Sosa homerun chase brought a lot of fans back to the game and I don't think that is something that should be over looked. Before that Summer a lot of fans had become disenchanted with the game after all the labour strife & cancelling of the World Series.