2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[packs]

Juiced.

[Beatles Guy]

Originally Posted by packs

Juiced.

As were most of the players named.

[packs]

Those players won't get in. You asked about Bagwell, he's not in because he juiced.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Beatles Guy

Scott: No Bagwell? I really thought he would be a first ballot guy. I did not want to see him walking to the plate with runners on when he was playing the Cardinals.

Originally Posted by packs

Juiced.

Originally Posted by packs

Those players won't get in. You asked about Bagwell, he's not in because he juiced.

Bagwell Juiced? Based off of what? His name has never come up leaked or official. With as good as he is his name would have been at the top of someone's list if there was good reason for it.

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/20...steroids-2001/

[packs]

Based off public opinion. Run a Google search.

[KCRfan1]

So, does Ortiz get in? Fairly wide belief he juiced and I believe actually named, or am I mistaken? Bagwell's been convicted in the court of public opinion and that's it.

[packs]

Ortiz did fail a survey test in 2003. It is well known and substantiated by the player's union. He claims he doesn't know why.

The Astros as an organization are well connected with steroids and PEDs. Caminiti was a good friend of Bagwell. He played on the same teams as Pettite and Clemens, four Astros suspended in 2010, another 3 in 2013, it goes on and on. It may be circumstantial and guilt by association, but it's not something that came out of thin air.