Alert: a tale of two 51B Mantles

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by botn

For the last couple of years eBay has aggressively enforced their guarantee for buyers. If the seller does not offer a refund then eBay will for up to 30 days after the sale and paypal has a similar guarantee that is good up to 180 days.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...guarantee.html

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/u...ale.x=en_US#13

As long as both companies offer this type of indemnification I am not sure how many sales of counterfeit goods would actually create an opportunity for a lawsuit.

What do you think the chances are that the buyer realizes this is a fake within 30 days? Or even 180? Unless something obviously looks off in hand, this could end up on a shelf, in a box, or even a bank vault and could be left there for months, or even years.

He may have a case against ebay but I don't think many collectors would be likely to pursue that course of action. And unless Peter or Joe are willing to testify it might be hard to prove they were aware of the fraud. I don't know if that's necessary, but it doesn't sound that easy to me any way.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

What do you think the chances are that the buyer realizes this is a fake within 30 days? Or even 180? Unless something obviously looks off in hand, this could end up on a shelf, in a box, or even a bank vault and could be left there for months, or even years.

He may have a case against ebay but I don't think many collectors would be likely to pursue that course of action. And unless Peter or Joe are willing to testify it might be hard to prove they were aware of the fraud. I don't know if that's necessary, but it doesn't sound that easy to me any way.

never easy...but they said the PSA guy called about the card being fake....prior notice is usually the issue on many types of cases whether its a dangerous condition or fraud etc...defendant will always deny...but you can also show 'should have known' standard.... plus if ebay has no mechanisms in place to really combat fraud and they know fraud happens a lot that could be a case too...... the fact that its ebay to sue and not joe schmoe only makes it more likely to find an attorney...not the lesser..

[Rookiemonster]

My wife bought a stroller on eBay it was 235 or something like that . It was described as new . We got and used it twice and then noticed that there was repairs and the stitching was coming off . So we called eBay and it got resolved fast and got all the money back .
It was past the time they allow as well .

The issue here is that it's probaly a Christmas gift and the true collector won't see it until December 24

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[D.P.Johnson]

Good thread.
Thanks for starting it Peter.