2016 Hall of Fame Ballot, Who would you vote for?

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by Beatles Guy

David Eckstein

Oh Jason!!! LOL

[KCRfan1]

I don't believe in holding it against a player based on the park they played in. Walker can't help MLB put a team in Colorado and he ended up playing there. We could make the same case for Ruth and that short porch in right for him to lob homers over, or just about any Red Sox player to hit the ball off the Monster. It's an endless of " what if " said player played elsewhere. The same can be said for pitchers and the parks they have pitched in.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

I don't believe in holding it against a player based on the park they played in. Walker can't help MLB put a team in Colorado and he ended up playing there. We could make the same case for Ruth and that short porch in right for him to lob homers over, or just about any Red Sox player to hit the ball off the Monster. It's an endless of " what if " said player played elsewhere. The same can be said for pitchers and the parks they have pitched in.

The difference between Ruth and Walker in this case is that Ruth's home and road numbers are almost indistinguishable while Walker's lifetime OPS at home is more than 200 points higher than his road OPS. I'd still vote for him though.

Btw, he could help that he ended up in Colorado as it was his decision to sign w/the Rockies a s free agent.

[KCRfan1]

Howard, there is a lot of appeal to Colorado besides the park. Perhaps I am in the minority in not holding anything against players for the park they play in. However, let's be fair that parks have helped many players careers besides Colorado. Any Yankee lefty was aided by Yankee Stadium.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Howard, there is a lot of appeal to Colorado besides the park. Perhaps I am in the minority in not holding anything against players for the park they play in. However, let's be fair that parks have helped many players careers besides Colorado. Any Yankee lefty was aided by Yankee Stadium.

Sure there have been Yankee lefties aided by the short porch. Bill Dickey comes to mind but even his road OPS is only about 35 lower than his home OPS. Larry Walker's career OPS was over 200 points higher at home and the gap is even more dramatic if only his Colorado years are counted. Some of the Greatest Yankee lefties including Ruth, Gehrig and Reggie Jackson hit as well or better on the road as they did at the Yankee Stadium. I doubt that's the case for any of the Rockies best hitters.

[Rookiemonster]

Griffey

Clemens

Piazza

Bonds

[packs]

Chuck Klein is the closest comparison to a career at Coors Field and Klein is in. He hit 354 at home and 286 on the road. OPS was 1.028 at home vs .813 on the road.

They both played 17 seasons. Walker out hits him in every category except average, where Klein has a 3 point advantage (320 vs 317).

[TAVG]

Piazza
bagwell
schilling
edgar martinez
mike mussina
mcgriff
walker
garciaparra
griffey
edmonds

[bnorth]

Roger Clemens
Fred McGriff
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffey Jr

[Topps206]

Griffey
Hoffman
Bagwell
Raines
Schilling
Piazza
Mussina
Kent
Trammell
McGriff

Honorable mentions to Billy Wagner and Larry Walker.

[kailes2872]

Ricky Henderson was my favorite player as a kid. With that being said, his power numbers peaked in his early '90 A's years. He was jacked and he stole a lot of bases which made his body take a beating. If Bagwell is out because he played with Camanetti, Clemens and Pettite, I am not sure how Henderson is not looked on with curiosity playing with Conseco and McGwire while having his best power numbers.

Griffey was a spindly guy who hit 50+ homers several times in the height of the steroid era and then his body broke down. I know that he had a nice smile and everyone liked his '89 UD card, but, I am always amazed at how he is somehow kept out of the conversation because people liked him.

Ripken played 2600+ consecutive games and hit with power in the heart of the steroid era. However, he did not have Bacne and people thought he was nice, therefore, he is innocent in court of public opinion...

I guess I am just saying that I am fatigued with how we and the writers have randomly decided who was guilty and who wasn't. I am not saying that the above are guilty - I am just saying that someone could probably build a case - but they won't because we "like" them.

Ortiz has proverbial blood on his hands - guilty explicitly - and then implicitly with his revival during the '13 WS run when he turned back the hands of father time. Yet, he is a fun loving and a Red Sock, so somehow, he will defy the odds and get into the hall in an era where writers decide by their gut instict and eye test who is guilty and who is innocent.

In my opinion - for what little it is worth - more were guilty than innocent during the era. The best of the era were Bonds and Clemens. Get them in and then let the rest get in relative to the best hitter and pitcher of the era... - both were A'holes and hard to like - but they could play ball.


OK, let the beatings begin....

[cardsfan73]

No beatings from me! I pretty much agree with you 100%!

[esd10]

if Clemens, bonds and McGwire get into the hof then joe Jackson and pete rose should be voted in.

[bigtrain]

Are we talking about the Gil Hodges who was an 8 time All-Star and drove in
100 or more runs 7 years in a row? That Gil Hodges? The Gil Hodges who got over
63 percent of the vote from the baseball writers when he was on their ballot as
opposed to Keith Hernandez who never got as much as 11%? Hmmm.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Are we talking about the Gil Hodges who was an 8 time All-Star and drove in
100 or more runs 7 years in a row? That Gil Hodges? The Gil Hodges who got over
63 percent of the vote from the baseball writers when he was on their ballot as
opposed to Keith Hernandez who never got as much as 11%? Hmmm.

I could also be talking about the Jack Morris who once got nearly 70% when Curt Schilling and Mike Mussina have yet to reach the election they deserve.

All Star games aren't as relevant as one would think.

[bigtrain]

You could. Both Mortis and Hodges should be in.

[Topps206]

Not a chance Jack Morris is HOF worthy. I am a very vocal opponent of Morris and I'm ready to debate anyone about it.

[cammb]

Tony Oliva

Vada Pinson ( check his stats)