Some pretty cool new(?) 1963 Topps Printing Error/Variations

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

+1

Here is an example of printing errors that sometime go wacko with collectors. These have the same type errors as "Bakep" with red paint overlying some of the white lettering. These should not be pricy but sometimes are.

[Cliff Bowman]

That 1957 Topps Sal Maglie with the over inked back went for a hefty price on eBay a while back if I remember correctly, if it's the same exact one.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

Here is an example of printing errors that sometime go wacko with collectors. These have the same type errors as "Bakep" with red paint overlying some of the white lettering. These should not be pricy but sometimes are.

Found a couple of them. Do you think I would have any luck lobbying PSA to designate the Bailey "Side Of B/B Is Red"?

[Gr8Beldini]

Is that the actual image of the card?

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Found a couple of them. Do you think I would have any luck lobbying PSA to designate the Bailey "Side Of B/B Is Red"?

I doubt PSA would be interested but you never know. I have a feeling being the tip of the iceberg with these things would dilute overall interest, except for the addict collectors like me.

[ALR-bishop]

Tom-- hope Cliff does not get infected by whatever your have.

Wait....never mind

[JTysver]

The Bakep and Herrer are known as errors because someone didn't understand the printing process when they designated them as such and now it is Dogma.
An error is when there is an intentional change to a card. The 1966 Alex Johnson traded, not traded line is an error. The 1958 Yellow Letters are intentionally changed, not because of poor presswork. A printing blob or a piece of tape left on a negative is not an error, its lousy presswork.

Sloppy presswork happens in every print shop. I've 22 years working in the print industry. Pressmen try to throw bad copies away. It's called waste copies and one usually pays for it when you get bids for a job. That is why it costs a lot more for your first 1000 copies of anything than it does for your second 1000. Because you are paying for the waste in both cases before they pull any good copies.
If you ask me, I would bet a badly registered Herrera card may be as uncommon as the Herrer error. That wouldn't garner a higher price, nor would it be deemed an error card, but they both would be because of shoddy press work.

[ALR-bishop]

Everyone of course is entitled to their own view based on their own expertise and qualifications. But there is not an accepted hobby definition of any of these terms.

It is true the Herrer and Bakep are hobby lore "variations" that would not likely make the cut in today's world of Internet scans.

Errors that are intentionally corrected are clearly variations, and that is my definition from a personal standpoint. But even today, the 61 Fairly posted above, the 52 Campos black star, 52 House and the Thomas No Name may not have been intentional corrections, but they have still achieved hobby recognition. The differences in the 52 Mantle, Thompson and Robinson were not intended per se, but resulted from the decision to double print. There are examples of such differences in almost all sets. The 68 Milton Bradley cards and the 62 greenies are are whole series examples. Some are recognized by the hobby and some are not. The Mantle, Thompson and Robinson are listed in SCD

Anyone can have their own definition of any of these terms, but the hobby decides what has value in the market. Many of us here collect variants, cards that differ in some way from their normal counterpart. The differences may be recurring or not, or intentional or not.

And in some cases it is virtually impossible to tell whether a card was intentionally changed. Collect what you like.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Everyone of course is entitled to their own view based on their own expertise and qualifications. But there is not an accepted hobby definition of any of these terms.

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Anyone can have their own definition of any of these terms, but the hobby decides what has value in the market. Many of us here collect variants, cards that differ in some way from their normal counterpart. The differences may be recurring or not, or intentional or not.

And in some cases it is virtually impossible to tell whether a card was intentionally changed. Collect what you like.

As always, +1


Found this one today, first time I have seen this card(Richard has noted it's existence before though) with the small green box on the left edge.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Tom-- hope Cliff does not get infected by whatever your have.

Wait....never mind

Chortle, chortle.