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Old 11-14-2015, 01:49 PM
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Nobody has said he wasn't worthy of the HOF, but his fame has been impacted by the team he was on.

His 6th on the hit list was due to his amount of AB he got. He is 7th on the AB career list. His WAR still falls short of being the best SS of all time. Yet his card prices are higher than any other player of the 90s/2000s. 29 players were on 5 WS teams only 5 (Mariano and Jeter will make it 7) are HOF members so that is far from a metric used to determine greatness of a player.

The numbers that speak for themselves are his WAR and JAWS.
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Old 11-14-2015, 04:26 PM
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The numbers that speak for themselves are his WAR and JAWS.
I am not anti-SABR stats; they have their place and are interesting to look inside the numbers. But the eyes of a significant portion of the population are still going to glaze over when you begin touting WAR and JAWS. What percentage of fans do you think can accurately explain what JAWS is or what it measures?

One gigantic weakness with JAWS is that it makes no attempt to account for postseason play, awards won, leagues led in important categories, and career milestones. Those accomplishments that are better handled via the Bill James Hall of Fame Standards and Hall of Fame Monitor metrics.

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Old 11-16-2015, 09:22 AM
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I got inspired by this thread last night and picked up an Ichiro:

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Old 11-16-2015, 03:09 PM
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Awesome pick up Packs!!!
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:45 AM
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Nowadays it seems that players entering the HoF do not get an value increase on their cards. Maybe not even on their autos or memorabilia. Maybe it is because all the more recent players are still fresh in our minds. We do not need to be told or reminded why the player was good.
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A few current Red Sox who interest me.
David Ortiz if he will be first DH to make Hall of Fame!
Dustin Pedroia maybe if he stops getting injured.
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I'm a Jeter apologist but I wish people would stop ignoring how rare it is to find a guy like Jeter. How many players can you pencil in at the same position for 19+ seasons and in the vast, vast, vast majority of those seasons end up with an all star caliber hitter at that position? I feel like that is overlooked more than anything. There is so much value in not having turnover at a key position up the middle.

Yes, his defense was bad and the dWAR numbers bare that out--but I think just knowing that one of your most important cogs is accounted for night in and night out more than makes up for it. The 300 average and .370+ OBP night in and night out for 19 full seasons more than made up for it.

As for the question at hand--I don't see an increase for anybody after a HOF nomination from the 80s or 90s outside of Ichiro, for reasons already mentioned.

High grade SP Jeter rookies will continue to climb as 9s are still damn near impossible to find in a PSA holder but I don't see anything else spiking at any point.
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