Check out these T213-2 "error cards".....Show & Tell us about your T213's

[Sean]

Ted, those cards both look like the same guy to me. The other T206 Camnitz, with his arms folded, looks like Harry Camnitz. I think.

[mybuddyinc]

Agree, T206 wise, have always felt "above head" and "at side" were Howie (rounder, fuller face); "arms folded" was Harry (slender, angler).

From Baseball Reference:

Howie:

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Harry:

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Fun stuff Scott

[Pat R]

I agree with Sean and Scott.

[RCMcKenzie]

My guess is that instead of "errors" the set consists of cards that use generic images for current players like Buchner Gold Coin or e91 cards. The distributers were using images that were 5 years old and they were trying to include new cities and players to increase demand for the "new" cards of current players.

[tedzan]

Howie

Harry



Sorry guys, but I have to differ with you.

First, with only a profile image on the lower card, there's no way that anyone can compare it with photos of Howie or Harry. On the other hand, there is a close
resemblance in the facial features (nose, ears, lips, etc.) in the images of the three top cards.

Furthermore, the lower card's image shows a more youthful face. Harry was 3 years younger than Howie.

Finally (and the clincher to this argument)....Harry's brief MLB career did not start until Sept 29, 1909. This fact then negates any belief that the "arms folded"
pose image could possibly be Harry. American Lithographic started printing their 150 Series cards in the Spring/Summer of 1909. The "arms folded" pose was
most likely drawn from a 1908 (or earlier) photo of Howie. Therefore, it's my opinion that this pose is indeed Howie (whose MLB career started in April 1904).


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

My guess is that instead of "errors" the set consists of cards that use generic images for current players like Buchner Gold Coin or e91 cards. The distributers were using images that were 5 years old and they were trying to include new cities and players to increase demand for the "new" cards of current players.

Wow ! ......your Street and Meyers are great looking cards.

The Meyers / Brooklyn is the first one that I've seen. This T213 is a tough 1916 card.
The 1914 (or 1915) New York NL version of Meyers is much more common.

Thanks for showing them to us.

Let's see some more of them.


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[Sean]

Ted, I understand that the arms folded card is Howie, and so is the T205. And the profile card is Harry.

It's the other card that I question. In the hands above head card the face seems older (so Howie), but the features seem to be a closer match to Harry.
Also,the Coupon card that Scott posted above uses the same picture, and that is intended to be Harry, who played on Savannah.

So my best guess is that the hands above head card is Harry Camnitz.

PS- That is a great Street, Nashville card.

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, I understand that the arms folded card is Howie, and so is the T205. And the profile card is Harry.

It's the other card that I question. In the hands above head card the face seems older (so Howie), but the features seem to be a closer match to Harry.
Also,the Coupon card that Scott posted above uses the same picture, and that is intended to be Harry, who played on Savannah.

So my best guess is that the hands above head card is Harry Camnitz.

PS- That is a great Street, Nashville card.

So there are two Camnitz's in the T206 set? I thought they were all Howie, had no idea of a Harry.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, those cards both look like the same guy to me.

The other T206 Camnitz, with his arms folded, looks like Harry Camnitz. I think.

1st......
The above is your Post #25, where you stated you think the "arms folded" pose card of Camnitz looks like Harry. Then two other guys who followed your post agreed with you.

Well, in my opinion, all three of you are wrong regarding the Camnitz (arms folded) card as Harry.

But Sean....now, you are saying otherwise ?
I'm confused ? ?


In Post #29, I responded to you guys with a logical argument why the 150 Series Camnitz (arms folded) card cannot possibly be Harry. His MLB career started on Sept 29, 1909.
That date is approx. 6 months after American Litho printed and issued their initial 150 Series press runs which included this Camnitz card.


2nd......

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, I understand that the arms folded card is Howie, and so is the T205. And the profile card is Harry.

It's the other card that I question. In the hands above head card the face seems older (so Howie), but the features seem to be a closer match to Harry.
Also,the Coupon card that Scott posted above uses the same picture, and that is intended to be Harry, who played on Savannah.

So my best guess is that the hands above head card is Harry Camnitz.

Sean..... I don't think this picture is of Harry. The face looks like that of an older man. Yes, we all know that Harry pitched for Savannah in 1915, but I just chalk this up to another
one of American Litho's (ALC) mistakes in this T213 series. In my opinion this card is of Howie and ALC simply mis-captioned it.

Sean, good buddy, sorry to be so disagreeable here



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[Sean]

Hey Ted, my first post was confusing. My second is what I believe to be correct. I still think that the hands over head could show Harry.

The face looks older, but looks more like Harry, I think. And yes, American Litho seemed to think this is Harry, but that could be another of their mistakes. So I guess that I'm not sure.

Well, this has been fun, but I need to go to work now. Bye.

[tedzan]

Yes....it has been fun

Besides owning all these little tobacco cards, there's added pleasure derived from researching their subjects.


Take care, good buddy.


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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted and Sean...Thanks on the Gabby Street...As y'all say its in nice shape for a T213-2...

Rick, Yes, you are right, it's a T213-1 and it's with my T213-1's in the T213-1 box. It was an old scan that I had made for another thread which I can't remember now. The PSA flip is incorrect...

The Frank Chance cards from this set are cool... Here's one of my favorite cards from the set. I'll make some more scans of T213-2 and post later in the week...Rob

[tedzan]

Really nice Frank Chance....Yankees Manager....I've got to get one.



Tommy Leach was printed on three T213's.... 1914 (Chicago NL )....1915 (Cinci)....1916 (Rochester).






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[buymycards]

Here are the other 2 Leach cards