PWCC green cobb psa 5.5 going through the roof

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

We've heard from him before. He's all over it...I think.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ons+legitimate

[pkaufman]

Laughable !

[calvindog]

Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.

many of the sales are on par with heritage though...in fact heritage and many of the AHs have the major records highs that are pacing the market over PWCC...so it has to be occurring everywhere...

[pkaufman]

If you doctored cards, where would you send them for auction. Ask yourself.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pkaufman

If you doctored cards, where would you send them for auction. Ask yourself.

Oh I think they spread the wealth around.

[pkaufman]

Peter, well put.....buyer beware !

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pkaufman

If you doctored cards, where would you send them for auction. Ask yourself.

who knows but there are sure to be the same cad with the same same Cert number ..not every card is doctored....if everything is about doctoring then the problem isn't with pwcc its with the third party graders...the bidding also is more legit because the card doctor is truly paying that higher price.....it not the responsibility of the auction house to know why a bidder wants a card..

[pkaufman]

Not every card is doctored = TRUE

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.

I mean seriously people!!!! Jbonie was right...the market is being manipulated by the mafia!

[pawpawdiv9]

@JustinD: I almost bought that Delong Gehrig. But decided a few days ago, to let it go. I had planned to use Gavelsnipe for the 1st time and probably would of won it at the price i had typed in or atleast jacked it up more, because i didnt have to worry about Buyer premiums. Wonder any board members ended up with it?? It was a nice 2 and centered.

[sbfinley]

I have nothing against Brent or PWCC, but if you changed his name to Rick he'd be sitting in front of Joseph McCarthy by this point of the thread. I've bought from him before. Great cards, great scans, great shipping, and pleased, but I'm just lost at how he regularly gets 20%-30% more than major auction houses on big ticket items. I think he has built somewhat of a cult for his auctions (especially in the PSA circles), but you would have to deaf, blind, and mute to not believe there is bid manipulation on some consignments. I think "certified high-end" is a bit cartoonish as well, yet he's carved a position and career in the hobby. Kudos to him.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I have nothing against Brent or PWCC, but if you changed his name to Rick he'd be sitting in front of Joseph McCarthy by this point of the thread. I've bought from him before. Great cards, great scans, great shipping, and pleased, but I'm just lost at how he regularly gets 20%-30% more than major auction houses on big ticket items. I think he has built somewhat of a cult for his auctions (especially in the PSA circles), but you would have to deaf, blind, and mute to not believe there is bid manipulation on some consignments. I think "certified high-end" is a bit cartoonish as well, yet he's carved a position and career in the hobby. Kudos to him.

This was a really well-articulated point. I agree with everything you mentioned, including my own personal satisfaction with their service and admiration of the business they've built.

I also have a theory that, when compared to AHs, I think ebay auctions tend to attract more "stupid money." Not saying that the bidders are unintelligent people, but I think the the low bid increments and the firm ending clock probably drive more emotional bidding of people who simply want to "win" more than procure a card. Plus, the universe of potential buyers - without the vetting done by an AH - is probably less sophisticated and contains those who are not as attuned about market pricing (hell, I was there once before I discovered AHs). I think the AHs probably attract a more savvy, experienced collector (and a lot of dealers) who are less likely to drive up prices for the sake of the rush. I know that happens, but my hypothesis is that it has a tendency to happen more on ebay auctions because of the structure and bidder population.

[Brent Huigens]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.

I want to be a part of the Net54 board, but posts like this make it difficult for me to feel comfortable posting and being active member.

All of these accusations are items that we’ve addressed multiple times in multiple threads. If by chance there’s something new and specific that posses a concern, we are happy to address it, but ask that folks please respect the purpose the thread’s origination and if needed, start a new thread.

In general if there’s a concern (or especially if it’s an accusation) we respectfully request that specific auctions and/or bidders be referenced such that we can properly address the concerns. Blanket allegations are impossible to address.

Regards,

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

[Brent Huigens]

We certainly received some eyebrow raising finishing prices last night, but honestly, this T206 Cobb was not one of them

My pre-auction estimate for this card was $12-$15k. I highly doubt anyone will ever see another example that looks this good sell for anything less. I personally believe a strong PSA 7 would easily eclipse $50k at auction, so it seems perfectly reasonable that an EX+/EXMT example with NRMT qualities is worth 1/3 the PSA 7 price.

The entire hobby is maturing, and blue-chip cards with high-end eye appeal are consistently fetching record prices... as they should. Just my two cents.

P.S. for those questioning the bidding, I would happy to provide specific bidder details to Leon Lucky for his review and comment. All 3 of the top bidders are highly reputable and consistent buyers of ours.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

We certainly received some eyebrow raising finishing prices last night, but honestly, this T206 Cobb was not one of them

My pre-auction estimate for this card was $12-$15k. I highly doubt anyone will ever see another example that looks this good sell for anything less. I personally believe a strong PSA 7 would easily eclipse $50k at auction, so it seems perfectly reasonable that an EX+/EXMT example with NRMT qualities is worth 1/3 the PSA 7 price.

The entire hobby is maturing, and blue-chip cards with high-end eye appeal are consistently fetching record prices... as they should. Just my two cents.

P.S. for those questioning the bidding, I would happy to provide specific bidder details to Leon Lucky for his review and comment. All 3 of the top bidders are highly reputable and consistent buyers of ours.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Brent you call them blue chip...I call the waterfront/waterside properties..

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

We certainly received some eyebrow raising finishing prices last night, but honestly, this T206 Cobb was not one of them

My pre-auction estimate for this card was $12-$15k. I highly doubt anyone will ever see another example that looks this good sell for anything less. I personally believe a strong PSA 7 would easily eclipse $50k at auction, so it seems perfectly reasonable that an EX+/EXMT example with NRMT qualities is worth 1/3 the PSA 7 price.

The entire hobby is maturing, and blue-chip cards with high-end eye appeal are consistently fetching record prices... as they should. Just my two cents.

P.S. for those questioning the bidding, I would happy to provide specific bidder details to Leon Lucky for his review and comment. All 3 of the top bidders are highly reputable and consistent buyers of ours.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

+1 there also. My two experiences with PWCC have been excellent, and the maturation of the hobby--basically attracting what I call the "big boys" to whom spending $16,000+ is like my spending $500--has been greatly accelerated, I believe, by the internet. We're simply catching up to where rare and significant coins and cars are in far less time.

Go ahead and post, Brent--we're certainly not all opposed to PWCC. Personally I enjoyed meeting and talking with you at the National.

Sincerely,

Larry

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

I want to be a part of the Net54 board, but posts like this make it difficult for me to feel comfortable posting and being active member.

All of these accusations are items that we’ve addressed multiple times in multiple threads. If by chance there’s something new and specific that posses a concern, we are happy to address it, but ask that folks please respect the purpose the thread’s origination and if needed, start a new thread.

In general if there’s a concern (or especially if it’s an accusation) we respectfully request that specific auctions and/or bidders be referenced such that we can properly address the concerns. Blanket allegations are impossible to address.

Regards,

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Brent, it wasn't a blanket allegation to note that you lied about your juiced scans -- and got caught on Net 54. You also offered to help California residents evade sales tax on purchases. You also used to allow consignors to bid on their own lots. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ons+legitimate

Finally, many of your high bidders have massive amounts of bid retractions which, to most on this board, seems fishy.

None of these issues are "impossible to address" -- unless what you mean is that it is impossible to offer an innocent explanation.

PS Doug Allen used to do the same thing on Net 54: claim it was all a witch hunt and blame me for starting it. Hope it works out better for you. And if you feel I'm libeling you, feel free to sue me.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Wildly inflated prices on easily found cards, massive bid retractions of high bidders -- who only bid on PWCC auctions, troll accounts set up for the sole purpose of ripping critics. And yet the dimwits will support the guy even after he was caught juicing scans, lied about it on Net 54 and got caught, helped bidders avoid paying sales tax and is "all over" the shill bidders in his auctions -- except he's not. Same idiotic defense of Mastro and Allen from 8-9 years ago and look how that ended. If it looks like a fraud, walks like a fraud and smells like a fraud in this hobby you can be damn sure it's a fraud. Wake up -- or don't.

Settle down Francis. We get your point, you love Auctions that have no transparency. OK, got it.