PWCC green cobb psa 5.5 going through the roof

[calvindog]

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

[calvindog]

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

writing without ellipses doesn't make what you say any better as well...

so if its not shilling its card doctoring? so no sales are legit basically

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

writing without ellipses doesn't make what you say any better as well...

I think most people on the board would disagree. Just received this PM: "I can't believe you're engaging this idiot."

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think most people on the board would disagree. Just received this PM: "I can't believe you're engaging this idiot."

so most people think every sale of a card on PWCC is shilled or for a card doctor...and you posting a pm calling me a name..because name calling really helps to prove an intelligent point..nice

[calvindog]

Actually I didn't call you a name. Just quoting what someone else said. Actually three people now.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Actually I didn't call you a name. Just quoting what someone else said. Actually three people now.

right quoting someone calling a name isn't the same thing...someone just called you an idiot..but hey that wasn't me...... as long as im not the one saying it i am free to post every insult someone calls you? I actually refrain from name calling even if its not me saying it...to me name calling whether from you or someone you are just quoting doesn't tend to make your argument stronger......to me its still name calling if i am quoting someone else which appears to be validating them and i don't think it helps to prove any points...

you also didn't address this post

so most people think every sale of a card on PWCC is shilled or for a card doctor...

so i guess you agree with that statement....

[jcmtiger]

Maybe I should put this one up for sale

Joe

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Maybe I should put this one up for sale

Joe

cant do it with PWCC because you will shill your own card or only card doctors will buy it apparently

[pawpawdiv9]

WOw Joe, now thats a nice Cobby. Huge top & bottom borders...having a Kardashian moment here.

[asoriano]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Maybe I should put this one up for sale

Joe

One of my favorite cards in the hobby.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Maybe I should put this one up for sale

Joe

Maybe you should just donate it to me

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And even if the auction was legit, isn't the great likelihood that the reason for the high price is because a card doctor thinks the card will make its way into a PSA 8 holder?

What's a card doctor???

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

What's a card doctor???

St Louis' team physician?

Steve

[iwantitiwinit]

Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.

[iwantitiwinit]

The current second place bidder only has bid activity with PWCC on 19 different items over the past 6 months. Just saying.

[iwantitiwinit]

Also just noticed the Plank offered by PWCC has several of the top bidders with 80%+ bid history only with this seller. Hmmm. To me that seems strange. Just saying.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

The current second place bidder only has bid activity with PWCC on 19 different items over the past 6 months. Just saying.

Agreed....I would think other sellers besides PWCC has nice stuff as well. I know, speaking for myself, I have nice cards every once in awhile!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.

id be interested in a centered 4..

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Thats a nice 5.5 maybe should be a six but in either case thats a heck of a lot of money and the biddings not over yet. I have a 4 and am beginning to think I could get over 4k for it.

Bob- You're thinking is correct. If you look at what this card has done in the last five years on SMR, it would amaze you. Obviously, 51 Bowman, 52 Topps, and 53 Topps Mantle cards as well, but that's another story. All T206 Cobbs, you can't go wrong in my opinion....

[pkaufman]

Total SHILL marketplace.......check out the bidder percentages and see for yourself.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

What's a card doctor???

As was said in a remake of the song, "What the World Needs Now" in the '70's,

"I think it's when somebody's sick."

Larry

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

Indeed!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

right the OP doesn't think that it is possible that the card can get bid up for its own merit...its a waterfront property type of card..the POP really thins out at PSA 5 and higher.....that's my argument as to why the card is being bid up....but Im an idiot to think its not being shilled...

we can give facts about what the last sales were and that its blowing them out of the water and would make no sense for it to be shilled....and talk intelligently....so far I have been provided very useful counterarguments if that entails name calling.....ill all for discussing intelligently the pros and cons.....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right the OP doesn't think that it is possible that the card can get bid up for its own merit...its a waterfront property type of card..the POP really thins out at PSA 5 and higher.....that's my argument as to why the card is being bid up....but Im an idiot to think its not being shilled...

we can give facts about what the last sales were and that its blowing them out of the water and would make no sense for it to be shilled....and talk intelligently....so far I have been provided very useful counterarguments if that entails name calling.....ill all for discussing intelligently the pros and cons.....

I agree with your train of thought on some cards hitting extraordinary levels because of what they are, similar to waterfront property. I have always been fine with paying record amounts for gorgeous cards. I think the best looking specimens do the best over time. If the Green Cobb with the huge borders, shown in this thread, went to auction it too might fetch a record price. Shown all of the time but relevant, I am sure this was a record paid for this E90-1 Young when I got it recently, but it still didn't hit my max bid. Some cards are almost mesmerizing. Those are the ones that get record prices. The PSA 8 Mantle on the bay is that nice too.....

[Kevin.Shenker]

It is amazing how long a broken record will play for.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Kevin.Shenker

It is amazing how long a broken record will play for.

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

?

"Kevin" and I are going to have to have a chat before he gets back on the board. The phone number given didn't seem to go through..

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree with your train of thought on some cards hitting extraordinary levels because of what they are, similar to waterfront property. I have always been fine with paying record amounts for gorgeous cards. I think the best looking specimens do the best over time. If the Green Cobb with the huge borders, shown in this thread, went to auction it too might fetch a record price. Shown all of the time but relevant, I am sure this was a record paid for this E90-1 Young when I got it recently, but it still didn't hit my max bid. Some cards are almost mesmerizing. Those are the ones that get record prices. The PSA 8 Mantle on the bay is that nice too.....

And I thought I was articulate. Leon just said it better than I ever could!

Highest regards,

Larry

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree with your train of thought on some cards hitting extraordinary levels because of what they are, similar to waterfront property. I have always been fine with paying record amounts for gorgeous cards. I think the best looking specimens do the best over time. If the Green Cobb with the huge borders, shown in this thread, went to auction it too might fetch a record price. Shown all of the time but relevant, I am sure this was a record paid for this E90-1 Young when I got it recently, but it still didn't hit my max bid. Some cards are almost mesmerizing. Those are the ones that get record prices. The PSA 8 Mantle on the bay is that nice too.....

Beautiful card. Is this the card aka the helmet or football cy young?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but why would anyone shill a card that is already that high over any reported sale? VCP record is about 8k for a PSA 5.5 and less than 14k for a 6. I think even if someone were shilling this to start I think they would have let it run it's course a few thousand dollars ago.

The card is perfectly centered and the color looks great. Maybe that's why it is getting bid up so high.

+1 there. Centering is increasing in importance due to its effect on eye appeal at an astonishing rate, plus its awfully hard from the scan to see why the card didn't grade at least ExMt. Time will prove its value, and not to much of the former at that.

Best to all,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There's shill bidding all over his auctions. When the top five bidders only bid in his auctions it's fairly obvious. Just because you pay what you want for a card doesn't lessen the fraud or make it right. Similarly, writing with ellipses instead of using correct punctuation doesn't make your points more cogent.

Always love Jeff's input, saying exactly what he thinks. I don't know about shill bidding in the PWCC auctions, but that's where I recently got my '39 V351 Ted Williams rookie for less than half of my max bid, so PWCC certainly doesn't see the max bids.

May collecting bring you joy and keep you safe from the triple sss's out there (scammers, schemers and skunks),

Larry