New T207 variation confirmed - Clarke with and without sleeve emblem

[frohme]

Nice, Marc - great eyes and attention to detail!

There are at least a couple other such unreported variations within T207 that don't get much attention. Some have report hat color variations with a couple of the Chi-Nat players, if I recall. A fairly clear one is found on Graney - the C on his shirt is either brown or grey-ish (like the color difference between the Big and Small 'C' variations of Livingston). Quick look around showed a number of each in just a few looks, so both seemed to be pretty common.

A more subtle I came across recently that is similar is a striking color difference on Cunningham (Wash). In everyone I'd ever seen, across all four possible backs, the blue is the light blue seen in most of the set where used for uniform content. This one had the same blue as seen in Saier's hat and emblem, not the washed-out blue like W. Miller.

Comparison images of both are below. The Cunningham images are scans from the same scanner over a number of years. In hand the color difference is very clear.

Like other sets of the times, there are more and more tiny variations once you really start looking closely. I'm still trying to convince myself of what would be a very unpopular opinion, which is that with T207, every variation except the 3 Livingstons is simply a print flaw... including Lewis (no-emblem) . But since I've not handled that card, I really can't judge, so for unpopularity, I'll just stick to T213-1 Coupon being part of T206

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Mike

[caramelcard]

"I'm still trying to convince myself of what would be a very unpopular opinion, which is that with T207, every variation except the 3 Livingstons is simply a print flaw... including Lewis (no-emblem)"


I agree Mike and always have. When the printing flaw creates a lack of a letter or emblem i think it's a bit more significant than a faded color. At least more interesting, but in my opinion none of these should be considered part of the set.

When printing these I don't think they intended for the letter to be missing.

Here was a printing error I found in a collection a while back:

t207 dooin.jpg


Shows that they printed dark red over pink.

[Vintagecatcher]

Thanks Marc for bringing this to my attention. I also had noticed this variation.

I have seen some examples where the emblem is printed in the border as well.

Decided I needed a "no emblem" Clarke to go with my Clarke with emblem.

As luck would have it, my "no emblem" Clarke has a Factory No. 606, and the "emblem" version has a Factory No. 240.

Thanks,

Patrick

[SMPEP]

Patrick, are my eyes playing tricks on me?

If I look at the two you just posted and compare with the two Marc posted, it looks like the newer pair has what I'll describe as a partial light gray "B" in that area ... whereas the original two don't seem to have this.

Is this just a picture photo scan issue or are there 4 variations? Of course my eyes playing tricks on me is also another likely explanation!

Cheers,
Patrick

[SMPEP]

Also, in Patrick's there looks to be a pretty easily seen "B" on his chest (on right side), but in Marc's this appear much fainter.

Is this just a scan issue or something more?

Thanks,
Patrick

[Vintagecatcher]

Gentleman,

I think you are seeing just the design above and below the shirt pocket.

Patrick

[uffda51]

Turns out I once had the "emblem" version. Never knew about this. Nice discovery, Marc.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by Vintagecatcher

Gentleman,

I think you are seeing just the design above and below the shirt pocket.

Patrick

I agree with Patrick in that its nothing special

This looks like the effect of updating the card image for the current look of the uniform based on an earlier photo. Cincy's 1911 uniform has an emblem on the chest with the word 'Reds' in it - 1912 does not.



You can see the effect and emblem more clearly on McLean. They did a more thorough job downplaying the emblem on Clarke, both of which were "created" from photos taken in 1911 uniforms.

McLean:



Uniform images from M. Okkonen's book as referenced via http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...d_to_the_nines

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Mike