51 mantle

[begsu1013]

stevie wonder could see she's a fake!

[CW]

I think one of the main reasons we see so many folks come on here and play out the same scenario (ie. they show an obvious reprint asking if it's real, then when all the experts chime in and give them the bad news, the go into denial and hold onto that last grasp of hope that the card is real) is because of the dream of making the big score -- buying a card on the cheap and hoping they found the bargain of their lifetime.

They can't face the fact that the card is fake because then they'd have to give up the dream.

Sure, some of these "collectors" do want to own a Babe Ruth card or a Mantle, but since those cards are so expensive their only hope is to find that needle in the haystack. It's not so much about collecting cards, but more about the chase and making "the find". Heck, maybe they even get in the local newspaper. That's the appeal, and that's why we see so many reprints sell for $50-$200+.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CW

I think one of the main reasons we see so many folks come on here and play out the same scenario (ie. they show an obvious reprint asking if it's real, then when all the experts chime in and give them the bad news, the go into denial and hold onto that last grasp of hope that the card is real) is because of the dream of making the big score -- buying a card on the cheap and hoping they found the bargain of their lifetime.

They can't face the fact that the card is fake because then they'd have to give up the dream.

Sure, some of these "collectors" do want to own a Babe Ruth card or a Mantle, but since those cards are so expensive their only hope is to find that needle in the haystack. It's not so much about collecting cards, but more about the chase and making "the find". Heck, maybe they even get in the local newspaper. That's the appeal, and that's why we see so many reprints sell for $50-$200+.

Or its the scum selling them and they are hoping to find some suckers on a baseball card forum to buy their garbage.

[asphaltman]

Wow.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...-/291526719783

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by asphaltman

Wow.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...-/291526719783

Holy shit ... How can some people be so optimistic ...er i mean stupid! That's sellers name sounds familiar ?

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Holy shit ... How can some people be so optimistic ...er i mean stupid! That's sellers name sounds familiar ?

This one looks authentic.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by CW

I think one of the main reasons we see so many folks come on here and play out the same scenario (ie. they show an obvious reprint asking if it's real, then when all the experts chime in and give them the bad news, the go into denial and hold onto that last grasp of hope that the card is real) is because of the dream of making the big score -- buying a card on the cheap and hoping they found the bargain of their lifetime.

They can't face the fact that the card is fake because then they'd have to give up the dream.

Sure, some of these "collectors" do want to own a Babe Ruth card or a Mantle, but since those cards are so expensive their only hope is to find that needle in the haystack. It's not so much about collecting cards, but more about the chase and making "the find". Heck, maybe they even get in the local newspaper. That's the appeal, and that's why we see so many reprints sell for $50-$200+.

right but it shouldn't be from ebay..the sellers there know what they are doing...maybe you get what you think is an obvious fake in the world at an consignment auction house and its in one of the junk wax boxes of cards..and a 51 mantle is in there...maybe I can see that dream scenario which is probably still fake..but zero chance on ebay.....someone that takes the time to scan a card or have someone do it and list one ebay has the time to get a real card graded

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CW

I think one of the main reasons we see so many folks come on here and play out the same scenario (ie. they show an obvious reprint asking if it's real, then when all the experts chime in and give them the bad news, the go into denial and hold onto that last grasp of hope that the card is real) is because of the dream of making the big score -- buying a card on the cheap and hoping they found the bargain of their lifetime.

They can't face the fact that the card is fake because then they'd have to give up the dream.

Sure, some of these "collectors" do want to own a Babe Ruth card or a Mantle, but since those cards are so expensive their only hope is to find that needle in the haystack. It's not so much about collecting cards, but more about the chase and making "the find". Heck, maybe they even get in the local newspaper. That's the appeal, and that's why we see so many reprints sell for $50-$200+.

I guess I can understand the mindset, but these speculators would be much better served to take that $50, and place a bet on a specific number on a roulette wheel at their local Indian casino. Perhaps the Mick's Jersey number (7). 36-1 will pay 1800, if those are the correct odds. They can then use that money to buy the card. This would actually be my advice to the OP. Return the card for a refund, and "invest" that money at a casino. Much better chance of a big score.

I don't think anyone is going to end up with a 1 in 40 chance of finding a real 51 Mantle for 50 bucks on ebay.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I guess I can understand the mindset, but these speculators would be much better served to take that $50, and place a bet on a specific number on a roulette wheel at their local Indian casino. Perhaps the Mick's Jersey number (7). 36-1 will pay 1800, if those are the correct odds. They can then use that money to buy the card. This would actually be my advice to the OP. Return the card for a refund, and "invest" that money at a casino. Much better chance of a big score.

I don't think anyone is going to end up with a 1 in 40 chance of finding a real 51 Mantle for 50 bucks on ebay.

right but they want to try to make even a dollar in cards ...heck we can all work at mcdonalds with our extra time and make more than most of us do with all the time we look at listings and buy and sell cards....it not about net money....

[bobbyw8469]

36-1 will pay 1800, if those are the correct odds.

Correct odds are 35-1. And you have to make sure your wager doesn't exceed the maximum table payout. If it does, they will only pay you the max, so it is a wasted excess bet.

[begsu1013]

payout odds are 1 to 35*

*actual odds of your ball hitting your number is 1/36 or 1/37 when you factor in the greenies (0, 00).

house always has the advantage.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

payout odds are 1 to 35*

*actual odds of your ball hitting your number is 1/36 or 1/37 when you factor in the greenies (0, 00).

house always has the advantage.

Right.....house is going to have the edge. $5 bet on a single # wins $175. actual odds are a little higher. Just like the true odds of hitting a 3 team parlay is 8-1. Casinos pay 5 or 6 to 1.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

payout odds are 1 to 35*

*actual odds of your ball hitting your number is 1/36 or 1/37 when you factor in the greenies (0, 00).

house always has the advantage.

Still much better than finding a real 51 Mantle, or any high end card, from an ebay listing saying "this one looks real, doesn't say reprint, but I am selling as a reprint per ebay rules." I would conservatively place the odds on that working out at 5,000 to 1.