NYPL Peck & Snyder Red Stockings Card

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi John
Let me set the record straight once again. It won't change as the truth never will, and is what I have said along. I was given the card back and told there was 100% an erased stamp on it. It was not identifiable as to where it came from. After that I let it go, obviously you haven't. As for me mentioning it could have been an NYPL stamp, absolutely true. It could have been. Could it have been stolen? Absolutely. Did I have many discussions (recorded or not) as to those facts, absolutely. None of that changes any of the facts. The HA knew, just like I and everyone else did, it could have been a library stamp or it could have been a photographers stamp. Nothing has changed. And why do you sound like you are trying to inerrogate me? That is foolish. You might try being more succinct too. If you ask the same question twice I will only answer it once.

You still manage to miss the point. Exactly right you knew there was a stamp, choose to not look into it. FBI takes your card for review and notifies you of potential issues. You say....ehhh no biggie and move on. Then you list the card for sale a year later with no research into this erased stamp. Then after it's up for sale folks who don't own the card are able to take scans and in a matter of minutes figure out it's from the NYPL. Yet somehow you couldn't do this owning the card and knowing of the issue for over a year?

Yes I had the audacity to ask and still ask. Is this what a person does who is so called so instrumental in fighting hobby fraud? You even admit to me in a PM this was a really bad call on your part.

So because I refuse to take the narrative that you were so willing to do the right thing to return this card all along. Because I see the ugly mess that it really was and think folks should remember this regardless of the very positive final outcome. For these reasons I'm an evil person. Makes perfect sense.

If this was any other collector with the above set of circumstances there would be a different tone in these threads. The main reason you see so few folks being vocal here is the fear of having the moderator ban them.

It's not that you had a stolen card could happen to any of us, it's not the final outcome which was great Leon. It's how you handled the stuff between the start and the finish line that's the issue and that you seem to take no real ownership of....short of it's everyone else's fault and any who dare disagree with the way it was handled are simply on a witch hunt.

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

You still manage to miss the point. Exactly right you knew there was a stamp, choose to not look into it. FBI takes your card for review and notifies you of potential issues. You say....ehhh no biggie and move on. Then you list the card for sale a year later with no research into this erased stamp. Then after it's up for sale folks who don't own the card are able to take scans and in a matter of minutes figure out it's from the NYPL. Yet somehow you couldn't do this owning the card and knowing of the issue for over a year?

Yes I had the audacity to ask and still ask. Is this what a person does who is so called so instrumental in fighting hobby fraud? You even admit to me in a PM this was a really bad call on your part.

So because I refuse to take the narrative that you were so willing to do the right thing to return this card all along. Because I see the ugly mess that it really was and think folks should remember this regardless of the very positive final outcome. For these reasons I'm an evil person. Makes perfect sense.

If this was any other collector with the above set of circumstances there would be a different tone in these threads. The main reason you see so few folks being vocal here is the fear of having the moderator ban them.

It's not that you had a stolen card could happen to any of us, it's not the final outcome which was great Leon. It's how you handled the stuff between the start and the finish line that's the issue and that you seem to take no real ownership of....short of it's everyone else's fault and any who dare disagree with the way it was handled are simply on a witch hunt.

John

Wrong. No need to address it again.

[smokelessjoe]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

You still manage to miss the point. Exactly right you knew there was a stamp, choose to not look into it. FBI takes your card for review and notifies you of potential issues. You say....ehhh no biggie and move on. Then you list the card for sale a year later with no research into this erased stamp. Then after it's up for sale folks who don't own the card are able to take scans and in a matter of minutes figure out it's from the NYPL. Yet somehow you couldn't do this owning the card and knowing of the issue for over a year?

Yes I had the audacity to ask and still ask. Is this what a person does who is so called so instrumental in fighting hobby fraud? You even admit to me in a PM this was a really bad call on your part.

So because I refuse to take the narrative that you were so willing to do the right thing to return this card all along. Because I see the ugly mess that it really was and think folks should remember this regardless of the very positive final outcome. For these reasons I'm an evil person. Makes perfect sense.

If this was any other collector with the above set of circumstances there would be a different tone in these threads. The main reason you see so few folks being vocal here is the fear of having the moderator ban them.

It's not that you had a stolen card could happen to any of us, it's not the final outcome which was great Leon. It's how you handled the stuff between the start and the finish line that's the issue and that you seem to take no real ownership of....short of it's everyone else's fault and any who dare disagree with the way it was handled are simply on a witch hunt.

John

It has been my experience that when someone is being as repetitive as Wonka is - there are other underlying issues. 99% of the time - again my experience.

A few reasons.

Power Trip
Envious
Personal / Feelings Hurt
Vindictive
Many others...


Every time I run across this, I have noticed that it is extremely difficult for the perpetrator to look within themselves to try & figure out why they feel the need to repeat their point while others make their point and move on
(I'm betting Wonka does not have this ability either). My guess is that Wonka has some emotions / feelings that are hurt. I have a sneaky suspicion these two need to do what my grandmother used to make my sister & I do...
Hug & Kiss... Meanwhile she would remark "AWWWEEEE".

[wonkaticket]

How's that Psych 101 class working out for you?

[smokelessjoe]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

How's that Psych 101 class working out for you?

Ahhhh.... Nice, you are coping well.

[RCMcKenzie]

My expectation is that the white hat wearing library administrators will de-access the baseball card in the future and allocate the funds.

[1880nonsports]

I started to think about donating to a museum at some later time in my life. At one point after seeing an anemic early tobacconist exhibit at the Flagler museum I thought that might be a good spot. Then I learned about de-accession - not gonna happen. Rather my things be sold in the open market to get them into the hands of appreciative collectors despite the likely ten cents on the dollar return :-)

sorry for the off topic post but you crossed into my wheelhouse.....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

I started to think about donating to a museum at some later time in my life. At one point after seeing an anemic early tobacconist exhibit at the Flagler museum I thought that might be a good spot. Then I learned about de-accession - not gonna happen. Rather my things be sold in the open market to get them into the hands of appreciative collectors despite the likely ten cents on the dollar return :-)

sorry for the off topic post but you crossed into my wheelhouse.....

To stay off topic. I did donate several cards to a museum this spring. I donated Ruth, Williams, Mantle, Mays, and several other players. All the cards where graded and from when they actually played. I had been working with the museum for several months before they received the cards. It gave me time to get the cards and have some of them graded. To this day they are not on display and I highly doubt I would ever do it again.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

How's that Psych 101 class working out for you?

Modern day translation: What you just said was super harsh.

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

Ahhhh.... Nice, you are coping well.

Modern day translation: You’re as timid and skittish as those ugly pigeons at the park. Man up.

[1880nonsports]

to express their interpretation of events and their feelings about how they saw things play out to the degree they have felt necessary. Questions have been asked and answered more than once. Nothing has changed in that regard as it relates to their positions. I'm hoping that as two mostly rational people they agree by moratorium to move on. Sometimes when the outcome is right - the serpentine road and weary travelers should be left behind.

Often life gives you the test and then the lesson. We all have lessons to learn.