REA Lot 819: Babe Ruth Autographed Book

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Are you in the hobby? Are you trustworthy? You want to buy an item for a few thousand dollars, but you want to blindly trust someone you don't even know. Maybe try doing your own homework and making an educated determination yourself about the item. I'm not going to say one way or another my thoughts on the item, but i think it's ridiculous that you blanket a while collecting niche because you don't know what you're talking about.

To answer your questions and generally respond:

1. If you mean do I purchase an occasional card or photograph, then yes I am in the hobby. If you mean I sell or deal items, then no, I am not in the hobby.

2. I am trustworthy. However, since you don't know me you can make your own conclusion.

3. There's not many people in the world can tell a real Babe Ruth autograph from a fake. That is why there are professionals to make those determinations.

4. I made a statement about "not many trustworthy" people based on numerous posts on this website, the Hauls of Shame website, news stories about fraud in the industry, especially autographs, etc. I stand by my statement.

5. I did my homework and passed on the item.

Stop being reactionary and defensive.

[Runscott]

nevermind….fixing the internet isn't my problem.

To the OP: if everyone else ignores a poster, you should consider doing so as well.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

To answer your questions and generally respond:

1. If you mean do I purchase an occasional card or photograph, then yes I am in the hobby. If you mean I sell or deal items, then no, I am not in the hobby.

2. I am trustworthy. However, since you don't know me you can make your own conclusion.

3. There's not many people in the world can tell a real Babe Ruth autograph from a fake. That is why there are professionals to make those determinations.

4. I made a statement about "not many trustworthy" people based on numerous posts on this website, the Hauls of Shame website, news stories about fraud in the industry, especially autographs, etc. I stand by my statement.

5. I did my homework and passed on the item.

Stop being reactionary and defensive.

I am reacting, to your statement. I might be defensive as well as I have been collecting memorabilia for over 30 years and take it as an insult that most people in "the hobby" are not trustworthy. If I buy an autograph that is no good, I blame myself.

One of the biggest problems in "the hobby" are idiots like you that are willing to spend large amounts of money solely relying on the opinion of someone you don't know and know very little about their credentials. Also, looking for a good deal on the most collected autograph in sports. "Collectors" like you allow forgers to perpetrate their crimes and flood the market with that bogus material. After all of that, you want to blame the TPA because you were taken or about to be taken.

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

PS: I am still not making any opinion on the item in auction, only the fool bidding

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I am reacting, to your statement. I might be defensive as well as I have been collecting memorabilia for over 30 years and take it as an insult that most people in "the hobby" are not trustworthy. If I buy an autograph that is no good, I blame myself.

One of the biggest problems in "the hobby" are idiots like you that are willing to spend large amounts of money solely relying on the opinion of someone you don't know and know very little about their credentials. Also, looking for a good deal on the most collected autograph in sports. "Collectors" like you allow forgers to perpetrate their crimes and flood the market with that bogus material. After all of that, you want to blame the TPA because you were taken or about to be taken.

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

PS: I am still not making any opinion on the item in auction, only the fool bidding

Hey dumbass - you obviously are illiterate as I have now stated more than once that I don't buy autographs as a rule (I own one) and am not buying this one. People go on this website all the time and ask for others' opinions on items. I am hardly the first to do so. So you need to get off your high horse.

If a potential buyer can't reliably purchase an autograph certified by one of the most trusted authenticators in the industry through one of the most reputable auctioneers in the industry, it is evidence that my statement is correct. This isn't some ebay auction from some unknown seller. Also, I would never blame the TPA unless they knowingly listed something they knew was fake; I would blame the TPA who is paid to make these determinations.

One final thought: if only people who can look under a microscope and determine whether an autograph from 70-90 years ago is authentic should be buying autographs your hobby would be very small, almost negligible. Just sayin.

Tongue nuts!

[David Atkatz]

Hey, EJ. As one who has purchased--at most--exactly one autograph, and has spent just about no time at all studying the field of autograph and manuscript collecting, you're talking out of your ass. Many of us here have spent several decades--at least-- in the field. We were here long before TPAs, and we'll be here after they're gone, too.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hey, EJ. As one who has purchased--at most--exactly one autograph, and has spent just about no time at all studying the field of autograph and manuscript collecting, you're talking out of your ass. Many of us here have spent several decades--at least-- in the field. We were here long before TPAs, and we'll be here after they're gone, too.

Great; hope you enjoy!

[David Atkatz]

We do. That's why we collect. What we don't enjoy is when some pissant with no knowledge or experience whatsoever decides to pontificate.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

We do. That's why we collect. What we don't enjoy is when some pissant with no knowledge or experience whatsoever decides to pontificate.

Good luck!

[smokelessjoe]

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

This just in... Sources say that the well informed "Peat Nash Guru" and Net54 member DAVID ATKATZ stated that "MOST of what Peter posts" is "very well researched" and "true" but that some of the Pet Gnash posts on the Hauls of Shame website are not well researched and are indeed false. Also, other sources say that apparently DAVID ATKATZ has spoken with Petey and may have taken "an item" to "the BANK".? One can only guess at what kind of "MYSTERY" item Dr. ATKATZ would take to the bank after listening to Mr. Peters. Certainly more to come on this mystery.

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Was there really a point in getting personal, Shawn? Are you that much of an ass?

And, BTW, to you, it's "Dr. Atkatz."

Doctor Atkatz,

Nothing personal at all, just good factual reporting. Are you getting emotional about this?

[David Atkatz]

Not "good factual reporting" at all. I did not state that "some of the Pet Gnash posts on the Hauls of Shame website are not well researched and are indeed false." You inferred that. (And inferred incorrectly to boot.) And the rest of the post--a poor attempt at satire--is pure gobbledygook.

[smokelessjoe]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Not "good factual reporting" at all. I did not state that "some of the Pet Gnash posts on the Hauls of Shame website are not well researched and are indeed false." You inferred that. (And inferred incorrectly to boot.) And the rest of the post--a poor attempt at satire--is pure gobbledygook.

Doctor David Atkatz,

Inferences are made everyday as part of good factual reporting. It seems you may be biased as this report was about you. This often happens as a defense mechanism and is rather expected. Perhaps a fresh look or different perspective would be helpful for you? Let me know if you would like some suggestions but I must say there could be a conflict of interest.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I am reacting, to your statement. I might be defensive as well as I have been collecting memorabilia for over 30 years and take it as an insult that most people in "the hobby" are not trustworthy. If I buy an autograph that is no good, I blame myself.

One of the biggest problems in "the hobby" are idiots like you that are willing to spend large amounts of money solely relying on the opinion of someone you don't know and know very little about their credentials. Also, looking for a good deal on the most collected autograph in sports. "Collectors" like you allow forgers to perpetrate their crimes and flood the market with that bogus material. After all of that, you want to blame the TPA because you were taken or about to be taken.

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

PS: I am still not making any opinion on the item in auction, only the fool bidding

It's a relief to see that you've quit giving your opinion on things you know nothing about. Other than that, the OP did nothing to deserve your typical name-calling.