F52 Fro Joy Ruth - SGC NO

[T206Collector]

I'd much rather TPG err on the side of not grading cards they're not certain about.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'd much rather TPG err on the side of not grading cards they're not certain about.

I am a fan of their graders. I think they do an excellent job and I agree with you 100%. But I have to think that after handling so many cards they could, at least most times, absolutely identify a fake or forgery. They have handled far more of these than I have, which is probably around 40-50 total, and I am confident on this one. I will admit there are some cards I am not 100% on, and those I wouldn't holder.
But then I guess it could be argued that if they don't holder it, it's not good, which might not be the case. How are most to know it isn't authenticated/holdered because they couldn't tell it was good with 100% certainty? Maybe it could be an edit/addition in their grading criteria on their site? I know it's a slippery slope.

edited to add, some other good responses so far....

[darwinbulldog]

Hey, I've got it. If they can't tell they can send it back with a "? AUTHTCT" label.

[T206Collector]

The real tragedy of sports collectibles is when the frauds/forgeries get so good and so wide spread that the real thing ceases to exist.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

The real tragedy of sports collectibles is when the frauds/forgeries get so good and so wide spread that the real thing ceases to exist.

+1

[Leon]

And as an example of what I wouldn't do, or ask anyone to do, here is this card and another that had been in my collection for years. Board member and Sr. BVG grader Andy B. and myself sat for some time with loupes and more and couldn't be sure on the batting pose card. We just aren't 100% and I wouldn't holder or grade it. As a matter of fact I will be keeping it so that it doesn't later get sold as 100% real. I don't believe I had Andy look at the portrait one. Not much need to, imo, honestly. The paper and everything is correct on it.....semi-worn patina and all.

[JustinD]

No.

I think the issue comes when in their honesty they are basically admitting that they do not feel they can have a 100% success rate.

I wish to applaud the decision and thank them for not holdering something they cannot do with 100% reliablity.

(of course no TPG is 100% perfect, but that should be the goal.)

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'd much rather TPG err on the side of not grading cards they're not certain about.

I'd have to go along with this also. I seem to recall that PSA had stopped grading the Star basketball issues of 1983-1985 (including the Star #101 Jordan rookie) when it became apparent that of the original 4,000 originally printed, about 14,000 still existed. I think its for the TPG's to determine where the balance falls in particular cases. I believe, but am not sure, that Beckett continued to grade them after PSA stopped doing so.

My two cents worth,

Larry

[Clutch-Hitter]

Nice card, Steve

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

Nice card, Steve

thanks, been working on a ruth collection for some time now, and this is my first fro joy. I hope its real & bvg didn't mess up here....I have seen so many fakes, any thoughts??

[Leon]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

thanks, been working on a ruth collection for some time now, and this is my first fro joy. I hope its real & bvg didn't mess up here....I have seen so many fakes, any thoughts??

It's real..

[Jeffrompa]

It's great to see a nice one .

[Exhibitman]

I had BVG slab my Ruth example:



SGC for the Ruth Candy example:



I handled the Fro-Joy raw (I had several) and was certain of the authenticity; I just wanted them in holders. The Fro-Joy I was able to compare with some Tunneys I had. Tunneys are not forged--not worth it--so they make good examplars to judge the Ruth cards against.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Leon

It's real..

thanks leon - I always need cards like this to be graded as some fakes I really cant tell but getting them verified through the board to me is the best way!