Come on Rick, this is absurd.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I'll admit, I have stood up for this seller in the past when he gets ganged attacked about his business practices, but this is unacceptable. You and your employees have got to be able to read a flip.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/361397486574

Not to worry IF the seller figures out they got screwed he has a return policy.LOL I love that excuse when they "accidently" mislabel auctions.

[mighty bombjack]

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

It says PSA/DNA Auto. It is not an Auto card or PSA/DNA graded.

[mighty bombjack]

Yes, I just figured that out. The "Authentic" on the flip refers to the card, not the autograph, correct? I do think that Probstein needs to be an expert in this and advertise his wares correctly, but I think PSA is more to blame with this crap. They need to deal with this as well by being more explicit about what exactly they have authenticated.

Originally Posted by bnorth

It says PSA/DNA Auto. It is not an Auto card or PSA/DNA graded.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I don't see the issue. Has he fixed it since you posted, or am I just missing it?

I emailed him about the card, but no it has not been fixed yet. You and the flip are missing the most important thing relative to this card: PSA/DNA.

[bnorth]

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

I cannot speak to the authenticity of this auto or the intentions of the submitter of that card, but PSA's grading practices have opened the door for said scam. I doubt the bidders on this particular auction are aware that PSA has not authenticated that auto.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

I've seen this attempted before, mostly with Jordan autos. I've never seen one so brazenly consigned to a major seller before, however. Either the scammer tried to push it through Probstein or the idiot who purchased it before consigned it and the card slipped through. I don't know who signed it, but I know the person who did is not named Michael Jordan.

[slidekellyslide]

PSA should stop slabbing cards with autos on them unless the auto is getting authenticated.

[Laxcat]

Why doesn't it have a MK qualifier?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

PSA should stop slabbing cards with autos on them unless the auto is getting authenticated.

I agree with your general premise here, but it raises questions about whether any writing at all would constitute an "auto" (not to mention that PSA wouldn't consider the option because it would cut into the bottom line). I think th middle ground is to make what has been authenticated MUCH clearer on the flip itself.