1950 R423 and 1950 gum ball charms

[GoldenAge50s]

I think the gumball machine charms are made up of pics from different sources. For example, I believe most ALL of the Dodger charms are portraits, which may have been from team photo paks or something similar, but not from R423.

After many hours of study I am STILL not sure who this charm below is--can anyone match it up to R423 or another source? Some Sellers claim it to be Duke Snider, but I don't think so at all.

Here's a SIMILAR shot of "the Duke".

[Exhibitman]

Wes Westrum?

[toppcat]

Definitely not Duke.

There were pools of photos available for use by manufacturers and I suspect a few brokers handled those deals. You see this from the 20's through the 60's but especially after WW2. Berk-Ross and Bowman used some, many of the regionals did too back then.

[GoldenAge50s]

A very slight resemblance, but I don't think it's Wes as he was a right handed batter & the photo sure appears to be a lefty hitter

[Butch7999]

Can't see his hands, so there's some possibility that whoever he is, he's a righty hitter
striking a follow-through pose. The negative isn't flipped, though, as his shirt appears to button correctly.

The white-background Greenberg charm looks to be what's known in the graphics/printing trade as a drop-out --
the background is just painted out (Topps 1971-72 basketball is an example).

Fred, we're still waiting for your full essay on the charms!

[GoldenAge50s]

Long time, no chat!

I think I have recvd a tentative ID on the charm & am working on a picture search that will verify it. Stay tuned!

[Gr8Beldini]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

I think the gumball machine charms are made up of pics from different sources. For example, I believe most ALL of the Dodger charms are portraits, which may have been from team photo paks or something similar, but not from R423.

After many hours of study I am STILL not sure who this charm below is--can anyone match it up to R423 or another source? Some Sellers claim it to be Duke Snider, but I don't think so at all.

Here's a SIMILAR shot of "the Duke".

Looks like a NY Giant. Could be a right randed batter following through. Resembles Sid Gordon much more than it does Duke.

[Harford20]

Although I have found nothing consistent, I have found several "matches" to the 1947 Bond Bread photos (as noted by the Williams, Kiner, and Feller below).

Dave

[Harford20]

Also, I think the comments regarding the Dodgers players may be spot on, as I think the Furillo charm photo comes from one of the Dodgers Team Photo Packs of the late 40's. Also I feel the Rizzuto photo may come from the Exhibits card.

Dave

[Exhibitman]

Well considering that the Bond cards and the Exhibits were basically rip offs of common publicity photos, it isn't surprising that the trinket makers would use them too.

Wasn't there an accumulation of these offered for auction a few years ago?

[GoldenAge50s]

I have been offered an ID (by a Board Member) of NY Giants outfielder ('42-'49) Willard Marshall which I believe may be our guy!

Being a '50's kid I always believed the charm pic looked familiar but could never click on who it was.

Altho I haven't found that exact pose I have some pics that lead me to believe Willard is the guy (& he's a lefty hitter). The last photo does it for me as the way he holds the bat is so close---Take a look & see what you think:

[GoldenAge50s]

Here's one more pic that may help the "ear ID" people.