Baseball Hall of Fame

[Peter_Spaeth]

Curt Flood. IMO, no, he does not absolutely deserve to be in. He doesn't deserve to be in at all.


Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Batting - 5 (394), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 58 (442), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 59 (338), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 16 (1096), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS Center Field (43rd), 41.7 career WAR/32.7 7yr-peak WAR/37.2 JAWS
Average HOF CF (out of 18) = 70.4 career WAR/44.0 7yr-peak WAR/57.2 JAWS

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Roger Maris had three standout seasons. He, too, is not even close. If he had hit 59 HR instead of 61 we wouldn't even be discussing him.

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Batting - 18 (127), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 57 (448), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 89 (199), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 22 (661), Average HOFer ≈ 50



JAWS Right Field (52nd), 38.2 career WAR/32.3 7yr-peak WAR/35.2 JAWS
Average HOF RF (out of 24) = 73.2 career WAR/43.0 7yr-peak WAR/58.1 JAWS

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[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Curt Flood. IMO, no, he does not absolutely deserve to be in. He doesn't deserve to be in at all.

Flood's argument isn't based on his playing achievements. He literally changed the entire structure of baseball. He was a trailblazer and absolutely belongs in.

As does Marvin Miller.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Flood's argument isn't based on his playing achievements. He literally changed the entire structure of baseball. He was a trailblazer and absolutely belongs in.

As does Marvin Miller.

As I read what Bill was saying, he was making the case for Flood the player. Perhaps I misunderstood. In any event, I am not a big fan of people getting in for off-field achievements. It's too murky for me. Should the guy who invented the catcher's mask get in?

By the way, Flood LOST his court case. The reserve clause was thrown out in Andy Messersmith's arbitration.

PS agree with you on Mazeroski. NFW should he be in.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I read what Bill was saying, he was making the case for Flood the player. Perhaps I misunderstood. In any event, I am not a big fan of people getting in for off-field achievements.

Peter, that's totally understandable. I wasn't trying to show that Flood merited inclusion based off of his play. More to the point, I was trying to show that he gave up an excellent career for his principles. The final eight years of his career he averaged 197 hits per 162 games played. He was still an outstanding, Gold Glove-winning center fielder. He has several years ahead of him, yet he sacrificed a good deal of money (for the times) because he didn't feel that teams had the right to do whatever they wanted with their players.

[clydepepper]

Well said, Bill. So many of those reaping the benefits have forgotten what it cost to get those benefits. In Baseball as it is in life...


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