Is this guy serious ??????

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Leon

If it gets in a catalog the price will increase. Hoard while you can .

That's the problem Leon, I blame the catalogs for the ridiculous prices that the
cataloged versions bring not the sellers who hype similar examples that aren't
listed.

It has been proven that the Shappe, nodgrass, Murr'y ect.... are nothing
more than printing defects. There are a large number of un-cataloged
versions of these throughout the set. They need to either remove the ones
they have listed (which is what I think they should do) or start listing all
of them in the catalogs.

Here's a Davis that's missing a leg on the R in AMER, and another one
that sold on ebay recently, I have seen at least a dozen of these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...p2047675.l2557

[packs]

You've created this beast yourselves and I hope you're all happy now.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by packs

You've created this beast yourselves and I hope you're all happy now.

Is that the most intelligent sarcastic comment you could come up with?

These cards were listed in the catalogs long before " the crazy T206 crowd
that analyzes everything" grew. The analysis of cards like this is what
has proven they are nothing more than a print defect.

I have many cards that I've purchased for research purposes that I know
I'm probably going to lose money on when I sell them and I knew that
when I bought them.

I started collecting T206 cards on a small scale 13 years ago, there were small
shows in our area and while there may have been a handful of pre war cards at some of them I never noticed.
Then I went to a national and I was in awe of how many cards there were that were close to or over 100 years old. One
of the sellers had boxes full of T206 cards (I think they were $8-$12) so I
purchased one and I couldn't get over how cool it was to own a card that old
for close to the price of a pack of new cards.

The same thing drives me in the research I do, I think it's cool to
try and figure out how they were printed over 100 years ago and value has
absolutely nothing to do with it.


I continued collecting them moderately for ten years and one day Tim Cathey
directed me here. Because of the amount of comments similar to yours I wouldn't do the same.

[ALR-bishop]

I do not collect T 206, but for example the Topps 58 Herrer, missing or with only a partial e commands a large premium. It is a simple,scarce but recurring print defect that long ago received hobby recognition.

In the years before he retired Bob Lemke was narrowing his definition of a variation that would be listed in the SCD Standard Catalog. He seemed to require that the difference in the card be a result of an intentional change in the card by the manufacturer. But in some cases it is hard to tell if a recurring print defect was corrected, or simply occurred unintentionally in the printing process for some period of time. And with ebay and internet scans, there has been an explosion in the discovery of "variant" cards...cards that differ from their typical counterpart in some way, intended or not

Since Bob retired it is harder and a bit haphazard getting any new "variation" listed in SCD. Not sure about Beckett. I used to think PSA took it's cue from listings in SCD or Beckett, but not long back they added a 61 Ron Fairly with an errant green smudge in the baseball on the back of the card to their master set list. Not sure if they got that from Beckett. It did not come from SCD. That defect exists on many 61 cards. It would appear that persistence in pursuing the recognition of a variation can pay off, and as Leon mentioned, there is an economic payoff if you succeed.

I personally collect any variation recognized by SCD, Beckett or PSA for my sets. I also collect recurring print defects, whether intentionally corrected or not, because I find such "variant" cards interesting. But I just collect them. I do not sell them to others or try to "sell" them to the catalogs or PSA.

To each their own

[packs]

Well Pat I didn't mean to insult you. All I meant was the price of this card is insane because people drive it up looking for any excuse to call something new or a scrap or a variation, when all you've got is a slightly dinged common. Anyway, my true point was that despite you saying that this set's printing is interesting to study, the fact is these cards and their popularity are mostly driven by financial interest over methodical ones. People just want to make a quick buck and over zealous collectors have turned this niche market into a cash grab.

[Pat R]

[QUOTE=Pat R;1454583]That's the problem Leon, I blame the catalogs for the ridiculous prices that the
cataloged versions bring not the sellers who hype similar examples that aren't listed


The Pfeffer in the REA auction is a perfect example of this. Recently listed as
a new variation in Beckett and a $100 card sells for $2650.00 with the BP.




http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=37731