How to crack a $50,000 to $100,000 card.....

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Would you be willing to share the details of the return Leon?

I'm curious if you were able to consider this a donation to the NYPL. Hopefully you were able to get something out of it (if only a couple tickets to their gala )

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. that has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? and why? why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? leverage? can you explain? why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? if it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter BEFORE you consigned it to heritage? why didn't it matter then? you didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? but now you do?

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. That has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? And why? Why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? Leverage? Can you explain? Why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? If it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter before you consigned it to heritage? Why didn't it matter then? You didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? But now you do?

shut up!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

shut up!

why, questions too tough?

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by travrosty

why, questions too tough?

Because this crap is getting old. The mob with the pitchforks and torches demanded a return to the NYPL and they are getting what they want. Just let it go knowing that your mission is accomplished. No further details are needed.

Damn, it's like a whole pack of yappy dogs that will just not shut up.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by whitehse

Because this crap is getting old. The mob with the pitchforks and torches demanded a return to the NYPL and they are getting what they want. Just let it go knowing that your mission is accomplished. No further details are needed.

Damn, it's like a whole pack of yappy dogs that will just not shut up.

Maybe if Leon would quit posting about it people would spot asking about it. The real whole story has to be very interesting.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Maybe if Leon would quit posting about it people would spot asking about it. The real whole story has to be very interesting.

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

it wouldnt be gossip if we got to hear the whole story, the truth.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

I for one would be interested in the full story of what occurred subsequent to the original revelation that the card was NYPL property that led to the card being returned.

Maybe that makes me gossipy - but I didn't start the thread.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Interesting to whom, Ben? The folks that just want to gossip.........?

It wouldn't be just gossip if there's more to the story that hasn't been told and the rest of the facts were revealed.

I'm sure anyone who spends time chatting on a sports card forum would find this interesting regardless of the outcome or who's involved.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by travrosty

why, questions too tough?

No, but as stated, it's getting old. Should we all go over to HOS and do the same to your buddy Peter Nash??? Just let it go Travis!!

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i too would like to know the details, obviously busting out of the 4 holder gets sgc off of the hook forever, no one can ever return it for a guarantee payment of difference of grades. that has to be worth something to someone. Leon, you said it would now reside in a 2 holder, but you seem to be returning it to nypl ungraded, did you change your mind? and why? why even bother contacting sgc about a new grade if you were going to return it to the nypl? leverage? can you explain? why would you care what holder it's in now if you are giving it back? if it matters what holder or grade it is in now, why didn't it matter BEFORE you consigned it to heritage? why didn't it matter then? you didn't notice the ink marks on the back and compare them to the listed criteria that sgc uses to determine grade and figure out something must be wrong? but now you do?

I wish I cared about my own cards as much as Travis cares about Leon's cards.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by chipperhank44

I wish I cared about my own cards as much as Travis cares about Leon's cards.

it belongs to the nypl, thats the point.

[wonkaticket]

If the card had never been listed for sale in the first place and we could turn back the clock a year or so when you were first made aware of the cards issues via the FBI. Then the above images and NYPL letter would have gone down as one of the most stand up things in the hobby ever.

However the convenient worded auction listing, the BS, the name calling, the long political PMs and the locking of threads. Render the above more of a bitter sweet last resort vs. that of a selfless act. That's really a shame.....

In the end it is a great thing that the property will be returned to the collection of the NYPL, ultimately the best possible outcome given the situation.

Cheers,

John

[RCMcKenzie]

Any work of art or collectible stands a much better chance of making it to the next generation of folks if it is held by a collector, as opposed to a Museum or library... I hope they don't lose it again...

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

If the card had never been listed for sale in and we could turn back the clock a year or so when you were first made aware of the cards issues via the FBI. Then the above images and NYPL letter would have gone down as one of the most stand up things in the hobby ever.

However the convenient worded auction listing, the BS, the name calling, the long political PMs and the locking of threads. Render the above more of a bitter sweet last resort vs. that of a selfless act. That's really a shame.....

In the end it is a great thing that the property will be returned to the collection of the NYPL, ultimately the best possible outcome given the situation.

Cheers,

John

Spot on, John.