Why did this card sell for so much last night

[t206fix]

Thanks Luke.

I've downloaded all the pictures from his sales of SC460 f30s. If anyone wants a copy of all my scans, I can send the file to them. If anyone wants to try to make sense of the "puzzle", please try. The more the better.

Is it possible to piece back together a sheet? I'm not sure. But I think that it would be fun project to try. Also, it could possibly show how many of each were on a sheet and how many cards total on a sheet.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by t206fix

Thanks Luke.

I've downloaded all the pictures from his sales of SC460 f30s. If anyone wants a copy of all my scans, I can send the file to them. If anyone wants to try to make sense of the "puzzle", please try. The more the better.

Is it possible to piece back together a sheet? I'm not sure. But I think that it would be fun project to try. Also, it could possibly show how many of each were on a sheet and how many cards total on a sheet.

That's a great idea to track all of these scans. I'm not tech savvy nor a big T-206 fan, but it could shed some light on the way sheets were printed.

[tedzan]

These SWEET CAPORAL 350- 460 Factory #30 cards should NOT be classified as "No Prints"....just because they were never inserted into Sweet Cap cigarette packs.

American Lithographic printed many sheets of them. They were originally destined to be shipped to Factory #30 in New York. The anticipated divestiture of American
Tobacco Co. (circa 1911) transferred Sweet Caporal cigarette production to Durham, NC (Factory #42). Federal law required the back advertisements on these cards
be overprinted with "Factory #42".

I don't consider these cards as "scraps"......these cards are legit......just never issued.


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TED Z
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[Pat R]

Ted,

The SC factory 42 OP subjects VS the SC 350/460 Factory 30 seems to be
another T206 mystery but I don't see how a federal regulation had anything
to do with the no prints/non released factory 30 subjects. The 52 SC 350/460
factory 30 subjects include all 46 of the 460 only subjects plus the six super prints,
while all of the no prints/non released factory 30 cards are 350/460 subjects,
If a federal regulation requiring them to add the 42 overprint
to the fact 30 had an effect on what subjects are found with a factory 30 back
I would think the opposite would be true with no 460 subjects found with a
factory 30 back.

[tedzan]

We have discussed this in a prior thread some years ago. You can use the Net54 Search function and you'll find it.

Anyhow....in the early 1900's (circa 1902-04) the Federal Gov. required for the purposes of Taxation of Tobacco products, the DISTRICT and FACTORY # had
to be identified on their advertising (cigarette packs, premiums, etc.)

Therefore, in anticipation of the ATC's transfer of their Sweet Cap brand to Liggett & Myers (Durham, NC), the 109 subjects in the T206's 350/460 series and
the 460-only series were stamped with the Durham Factory # 42.

In addition, for some unknown reason, the 46 subjects in the 460-only series were issued and shipped to the NY Factory # 30.


TED Z
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

We have discussed this in a prior thread some years ago. You can use the Net54 Search function and you'll find it.

Anyhow....in the early 1900's (circa 1902-04) the Federal Gov. required for the purposes of Taxation of Tobacco products, the DISTRICT and FACTORY # had
to be identified on their advertising (cigarette packs, premiums, etc.)

Therefore, in anticipation of the ATC's transfer of their Sweet Cap brand to Liggett & Myers (Durham, NC), the 109 subjects in the T206's 350/460 series and
the 460-only series were stamped with the Durham Factory # 42.

In addition, for some unknown reason, the 46 subjects in the 460-only series were issued and shipped to the NY Factory # 30.


TED Z
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Good info again Ted!!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

These SWEET CAPORAL 350- 460 Factory #30 cards should NOT be classified as "No Prints"....just because they were never inserted into Sweet Cap cigarette packs.

American Lithographic printed many sheets of them. They were originally destined to be shipped to Factory #30 in New York. The anticipated divestiture of American
Tobacco Co. (circa 1911) transferred Sweet Caporal cigarette production to Durham, NC (Factory #42). Federal law required the back advertisements on these cards
be overprinted with "Factory #42".
I don't consider these cards as "scraps"......these cards are legit......just never issued.


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TED Z
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Hi Ted,

I wasn't questioning the tax stamp laws, I was just expressing my opinion whether the factory 30 no prints/non released subjects were effected by the
factory # stamp requirement. In my opinion based on the fact that subjects found with the factory 30 were printed after the no print/non released subjects
I don't think this is the reason behind these no print/non released cards.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hi Ted,

I wasn't questioning the tax stamp laws, I was just expressing my opinion whether the factory 30 no prints/non released subjects were effected by the
factory # stamp requirement. In my opinion based on the fact that subjects found with the factory 30 were printed after the no print/non released subjects
I don't think this is the reason behind these no print/non released cards.

Pat

First, pardon me if I sound somewhat picky. But, it is obvious that these 57 cards (SWEET CAP 460/30) from the 350/460 series should NOT be referred to as "NO PRINTS".

Now, I'm not sure what you are alluding to regarding the "tax stamp laws" ?


Circa 1901, Federal Tax law specified that Tobacco premiums (Sports & Non-Sports) inserted in Cigarettes packs must identify the tax District and Factory # of the product.

As previously stated, American Litho modified these pre-printed Factory #30 cards by overprinting them with the Factory #42 identity in anticipation that the Sweet Caporal
production was being transferred to the Liggett & Myers Durham, NC (Factory #42) plant in 1911.


When the all the "smoke" cleared in the divestiture process of ATC, it resulted that the Sweet Caporal brand remained with ATC. And this may explain why the 46 subjects in
the 460-only series with SWEET CAP 460/30 backs were shipped to Factory #30.
After these cards had also been overprinted with Factory #42.



TED Z
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[Pat R]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1452716]These SWEET CAPORAL 350- 460 Factory #30 cards should NOT be classified as "No Prints"....just because they were never inserted into Sweet Cap cigarette packs.

Ted,

I understand what you're saying and technically you're correct, most collectors
of the set know that all 109 subjects with the factory 42 overprint were
printed with a factory 30 back before they received the OP. Even though
the term no print is technically incorrect in this case, most people know
that it refers to cards that were not issued with the factory 30 back.


I don't consider these cards as "scraps"......these cards are legit......just never issued.

If you don't mind me being a little picky too, I totally disagree with you
on this. Two of the major parts of what is considered t206 scrap are found
on these cards, they were not intended to be issued in tobacco products and they are hand cut.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Two of the major parts of what is considered t206 scrap are found
on these cards, they were not intended to be issued in tobacco products and they are hand cut.

I agree with your assessment, Pat.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I agree with your assessment, Pat.

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