t213 question

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by steve B

I would have to say no on the type 2 and 3 for sure, and maybe for the type 1but probably not.

I'd have to take a close look at a few type 1s alongside the same subjects from T206 to be sure. And I believe that most T206 subjects were printed from at least 2-3 different sets of plates.

Steve B

I agree with Steve on the fact that there were more than one set of plates
used on most T206 subjects. I also think they may have been printed in a few different ALC facilities ( they owned several large printing plants during this time frame) which would have used different plates and possibly different sheet layouts and some swapping of subjects at each facility which could account for some of the short prints and other nuances in the set.

I know a lot of people like to poke fun at us "crazy" T206 guys with the stray
marks, print defects ect... but they could be the answer to FAQ's like this.
If someone finds a T213 with a print defect or odd mark like the one found
on several T206 McBrides who is also a T213-1 subject then you would have the answer to this question.

[tedzan]

Here is my concept of an early 350 series print run (circa Spring 1910) of T206's. There is a good likelihood that this same pre-printed (fronts) sheet
was used by American Litho to also produce the 48 - Major League subjects of the 1910 COUPON set.








TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here is my concept of an early 350 series print run (circa Spring 1910) of T206's. There is a good likelihood that this same pre-printed (fronts) sheet
was used by American Litho to also produce the 48 - Major League subjects of the 1910 COUPON set.








TED Z
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It's possible Ted, but somewhere along the line the sheet layouts would of had
to have been changed based on the known two name cards in the 350 series. There are several 350 two name T206's that have a T213-1 subject and a non T213-1 subject.

Chase (blue portrait) - Zimmerman
Engle - Phillippe
Jackson - Hoffman (Danny)
Chance (yellow portrait) - Feine
Lennox - clancy

[tedzan]

There's no dispute regarding front images printed on sheets were switched around in the production process.

My 48-subject configuration pictured above is simply one possible format. I placed Chance adjacent to Cobb
on this sheet since I have actually seen this adjacency on a miscut T206. The other 46 cards in this 12 x 4
format are placed arbitrarily. I came up with this layout years before Jantz posted his "two-name" thread. I
may modify this 48-card arrangement to take into account the two-name data recorded in Jantz's thread.

In any event, what I have illustrated here is simply a sheet of cards that represent the 48 - Major League
guys included in the 1910 COUPON set.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

I've seen quite a few 1910 COUPON cards over the years, but have not seen any "printer's plates scratch marks" on their backs like you guys are looking for.


Here are 11 cards of my 1910 COUPON cards......


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No visible printer's scratch marks discernible on these cards. I'll be interested to see a larger sample of 1910 COUPON cards in order to see if any scratch marks
are visible.

Something for you to consider....so far it appears that all the T206 cards with scratch marks posted pertain to the 150 Series PIEDMONT's. However, these T213
cards were printed along with the 350 Series cards in the T206 press runs (circa Spring 1910).



TED Z
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[Pat R]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1449822]I've seen quite a few 1910 COUPON cards over the years, but have not seen any "printer's plates scratch marks" on their backs like you guys are looking for.




Ted,

I wasn't referring to plate scratches. The op's question concerns the front
of the cards. The McBride I posted has a blue mark on his hip that is found
on several his T206's, if someone found a T213-1 McBride with this mark then it could be proof that the same plates were used for both.

Personally I don't think the same plates were used but that's just my opinion.

[tedzan]

OK....I'm curious as to how you think the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON set were printed ?

If not with the same plates that American Litho printed their T206 counterparts.....then what ?


TED Z
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