t213 question

[steve B]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

I thought the factory numbers referred to where the cards were sent to be packaged with cigarettes, not where they were printed.

Yes, the factory numbers are the packing plant, not where they were printed.

Steve B

[RCMcKenzie]

I believe T213-1 is comprised of what they call print groups 2, 5 & 6.(May be wrong on this as I haven't gone thru the whole set). In other words, I'm looking for the Bob Rhoades card w/ glove at chest, not the arm extended one. The paper on the T213-1 is of lower quality/thinner, but they look just like the T206 cards in every other respect...back design/artwork etc...To me, Coupon was just another T206 ad back like Carolina Brights. I started collecting them b/c they used to be cheaper than T206 and my Dad was buying.

[buymycards]

I have never checked the captions on the T213-1. Are they all exactly the same as the T206's?

The T213-2's have many captions that are different than the T206's, and several players have different captions under the same pose. So, I would think that the captions would be printed at the same time as the rest of the card, and that would mean that different plates would have been needed.

The 3 Mowrey's have the same pose, but different captions. Were the cards printed and the captions added later or were these printed from totally different plates?

I don't know anything about printing, so I could be totally wrong.

[Jobu]

I always thouhgt that they used the same plates multiple times. However, I based this on the low quality of the T213-3 images and assumed that they were the result of using the same worn out/poorly stored plates used in T213-2. Admittedly this might be way off base, though it could still be correct with different plates having been used for other issues with T206 images (T206, T213-1, T214, and T215-1&2) and only T213-3 actually reusing old plates.

At the least all of the plates must have been made from the same master images, no?

[buymycards]

Hi Bryan, that is a good thought. The T213-3 Mowrey uses the same pose, but the quality of the printing in much worse.

[steve B]

The plates were not actually plates, but stones. Those were usually resurfaced after use because they were expensive and hard to store. There's some solid evidence that the P150 back stone was either poorly resurfaced or was reworked to make a p350 back stone. (too early to tell which)

The images of cards were probably laid down with transfers printed from a master plate. And that was done from the original art. There are some cards in T206 that show some indication of the masters being redone at the very least between the 150 and 350 series, and probably between 350 and 350-460 as well. The easiest to see is Conroy fielding where there either are or are not lines on his hat.
There are a few cards I've looked at that show three slightly different images for the same subject within the 150 series. I haven't gotten far enough to know if it's all of them or not.

The coupon T1s may have been the same plates, and if not were probably from the same masters.
T2 and T3 all look very different from T206, and were probably made from new masters taken from the same art. I haven't studied it all that deeply though so take that as more opinion based on a very small sample size. (My own collection, 0 Type 1s 3 type 2s and 0 type 3s ....I think I need more coupons )At the minimum one of the blue plates and the brown plate would have been different.

Steve B

Steve B

[tedzan]

The 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON set are derived from an early press run of the 350 series of the T206 set. All 68 subjects are identical in every respect to their T206 "cousins".
These cards were issued in the Spring/Summer of 1910. Note the similarity in the stylistic design of the backs of these T206 advertisements and this COUPON advertisement.....




T213-1 cards differ from T206's only in that they were on printed thinner cardboard stock. Perhaps, because these cards were not intended to serve as cigarette pack STIFFINERS.
This brand was introduced into the market packaged in cartons containing 100's of cigarettes. These cartons were labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes .



The Six Super Prints of the T206 set are shown here with the 1910 COUPON advertisement.

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