OT: Shoeless Joe HOF decision?

[johnmh71]

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

+1

[bbcard1]

I don't really care one way or another. I am deeply passionate about baseball but there are a lot of players who are in who shouldn't be and, arguably, a few out who should be in. I will assure you it is worse from a popularity standpoint for Jackson to be in than it is for him to be out.

[glchen]

I would think Joe Jax's card values would go up if he were reinstated. There would be all of these HOF collectors that would then need to add a card of his to their collections if he were voted in.

[egri]

If he is reinstated, then I predict the auction houses will be inundated with people who discovered signed photos of Joe Jackson that were stored in someone's attic or barn for the past century yet are miraculously in mint condition. And of course PSA will deem, if not all, then most authentic.

[slidekellyslide]

It was a "lifetime" ban...Jackson's life time ended in the 1950s. Reinstate all of them. Otherwise throw Speaker and Cobb out for their role in throwing a game.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

It was a "lifetime" ban...Jackson's life time ended in the 1950s. Reinstate all of them. Otherwise throw Speaker and Cobb out for their role in throwing a game.

+1

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

This is the correct answer.

[bbcard1]

You know, Cicotte, though a little light on wins, has pretty nice career numbers.

[bobbvc]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

+3

[obcbobd]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

Agreed.

Also, if reinstated I doubt he would be elected to the HOF

[jasonc]

Originally Posted by obcbobd

Agreed.

Also, if reinstated I doubt he would be elected to the HOF

This is what I was thinking. Are his career stats even good enough for the hall?

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by jasonc

This is what I was thinking. Are his career stats even good enough for the hall?

What? His career average was .356 incl .408 in 1911.
If he is reinstated & doesn't make the Hall, it will be from the 1919 fix, not his career stats.

[tazdmb]

He isn't being reinstated-

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ng-reinstated/

[jasonc]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

What? His career average was .356 incl .408 in 1911.
If he is reinstated & doesn't make the Hall, it will be from the 1919 fix, not his career stats.

Oops, forgot about that. I was looking at the totals line.. 1772 hits.

[JoeyFarino]

Rose and Jackson should both be in the HOF hands down

[arc2q]

Odd that the commissioner's response was dated July 20, 2015. If so, the museum held the letter for over a month knowing full well the results but didn't share it publicly until a day after baiting the public into thinking that a reinstatement was possible.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

This is one of the great things about baseball, the debates that can go on forever.

I appreciate both sides of this debate and side on the they were both great but they should not be in the Hall.

In my opinion one of the things that makes the Baseball Hall of Fame special is the ethics clause. While we all know that there are several rascals already in, it makes it more special in my mind that the quality of the human being matters.

I enjoy watching pro football but the Pro Football Hall of Fame (which I have visited) is not special in my opinion. From the Lawrence Taylors of the world to the Warren Sapps and Michael Irvins, these are just not quality human beings.

There are some players in Cooperstown that I have encountered that are beyond rude like Mays, Bench and now Randy Johnson. They may be rude but they have never injured anyone off the field that I know about?

Heck, if Lawrence Phillips could still run some NFL team would try to get him off this latest charge of killing his cell mate.

Once again, I appreciate everyone's dissenting opinions, this is a cool part of baseball.

Originally Posted by arc2q

Odd that the commissioner's response was dated July 20, 2015. If so, the museum held the letter for over a month knowing full well the results but didn't share it publicly until a day after baiting the public into thinking that a reinstatement was possible.

I agree. Rose visited Manfred July 14-15, and this letter was penned July 20. Sounds like Manfred spent that week reaffirming past decisions of former commissioners. Don't see any new ground here, non story.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

This is an absolute joke. He needs to stay banned. If they want to reinstate someone from that group, they should reinstate Buck Weaver.

Put me down for one ENORMOUS +1 on that. Joe got $5,000, and what he and the other guilty ones did struck near fatal blows to the very heart of the game--who's going to be interested if it is widely believed that the outcome of games is predetermined, other than possibly pro wrestling fans?

Regards,

Larry