Outing my own auction lot.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

If this were a PWCC auction, we would be requesting that the bidder id's be outed.

Requesting to whom? Brent? I wasn't aware that PWCC provided the identities of its bidders to the Net 54 community.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Requesting to whom? Brent? I wasn't aware that PWCC provided the identities of its bidders to the Net 54 community.

Jeff, if you remember a while back, you won an Exhibit Cobb from a PWCC auction that you believed was shilled. I was the consignor for that lot, and I asked Brent for the bidder id. He gave it to me, and I PM'ed it to you.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Jeff, if you remember a while back, you won an Exhibit Cobb from a PWCC auction that you believed was shilled. I was the consignor for that lot, and I asked Brent for the bidder id. He gave it to me, and I PM'ed it to you.

Isn't that a bit different than Net 54 members calling out Brent publicly to provide us the identities of suspected shill bidders? Why would he have a problem with a consignor having the ebay identity of someone who won his lot?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Isn't that a bit different than Net 54 members calling out Brent publicly to provide us the identities of suspected shill bidders? Why would he have a problem with a consignor having the ebay identity of someone who won his lot?

Well, you won that lot, Jeff, and I asked Brent for the bidder id for an underbidder who you thought may have shilled you up. When I asked Brent for the bidder id, I told him that I would be providing this to you, which you may decide to make public. In this case, since this is Brian's auction, he's technically the consignor here, so it's up to him whether or not to divulge his bidders. His argument here is that divulging bidder identities may result in repercussions, which I would assume means these same bidders not bidding in his future auctions or perhaps even negging him.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Well, you won that lot, Jeff, and I asked Brent for the bidder id for an underbidder who you thought may have shilled you up. When I asked Brent for the bidder id, I told him that I would be providing this to you, which you may decide to make public. In this case, since this is Brian's auction, he's technically the consignor here, so it's up to him whether or not to divulge his bidders. His argument here is that divulging bidder identities may result in repercussions, which I would assume means these same bidders not bidding in his future auctions or perhaps even negging him.

Right. So because you unilaterally decided to ask Brent for the identity of the winner of the lot you consigned to him -- and he agreed -- that means that Brian should give up the identity of his bidder in a yet to be completed auction? You've lost me here.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Right. So because you unilaterally decided to ask Brent for the identity of the winner of the lot you consigned to him -- and he agreed -- that means that Brian should give up the identity of his bidder in a yet to be completed auction? You've lost me here.

Jeff, you posted a publicly in this forum that you believed that auction was shilled (Link). So I asked Brent "unilaterally" for the bidder id to try to prove that auction was not shilled. I did not have to make it known that I was the consignor for that auction, and I did, and neither did I have to unilaterally decide to provide the bidder id to you. In Brian's case, here I do understand his situation. If ebay did not mask all bidder id's, he would not be here.

[TanksAndSpartans]

I actually had this happen to me, but the bidder with 20+ bids didn't win and the card sold around market price - but when I saw all the bids long before auction end, I kind of shook my head and said people will think this is suspicious. It may not actually be a bad strategy for the buyer if it scares away bidders. But that actually doesn't help with a reservation price on the auction since its not possible to bid yourself up, the auction could just end as "reserve not met." It's also a good argument for sniping given how small the bid increments are on eBay - say someone puts a bid in and forgets about it - someone could come along and slightly outbid them by just "nibbling" them up time after time until they get ahead.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Jeff, you posted a publicly in this forum that you believed that auction was shilled (Link). So I asked Brent "unilaterally" for the bidder id to try to prove that auction was not shilled. I did not have to make it known that I was the consignor for that auction, and I did, and neither did I have to unilaterally decide to provide the bidder id to you. In Brian's case, here I do understand his situation. If ebay did not mask all bidder id's, he would not be here.

So Brent is willing to give out the names of the bidders in his auctions? Because unlike Brian, Brent has been caught lying on Net 54, used misleading scans in his auctions and his auctions are filled with bad bidders. If he's willing to provide the ebay identities of the bidders in his auctions I'm willing to review them.

[Jewish-collector]

Brian - I bet this bidder is a member of Net54. Maybe he will come on & say hello.