T5 Pinkerton mystery cards

[T206Jim]

Jeff, it is not flimsy and probably most akin to a thin postcard. So this makes at least 4 known examples, all Athletics, any more known to be out there?

[Leon]

This did a boomerang back from SGC unslabbed.....so it's still in my collection...(and I should say thanks to Jeff for this quite some time ago)

[Jacklitsch]

Don't know if this adds anything to the conversation. Blank back used as a postcard.

[Jacklitsch]

Larger scan.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

Larger scan.

I am resurrecting an old thread as it had some great info. Great looking W530 Mack, Steve. Here is the real photo T5-Pinkerton type of Mack shown before in other threads. I love this mystery "Pinkerton" set...

[T206Jim]

Ok, I'll take a stab at quantifying what I'll tentatively dub the "1911 T5 Pinkerton White Borders" variant.
1. The cards are 3 5/8 x 6 inches in size, larger than other variants.
2. They are real photo cards.
3. They are on cardboard stock similar to a postcard.
4. They have much larger white borders than the T5 cabinet photos or the blank back/scorecad backs.
5. The were printed in 1911,(T5s issued in 1911 and Leon's Baker postmark).
6. The set to date consists solely of Philadelphia Athletics players.
7. There are five known examples; Baker, Bender, Hartsel, Morgan & Oldring.
8. They have blank backs.
9. Speculation it may have been issued in to commemorate the 1910 or 1911 World Championship and perhaps in the Pennsylvania region given the postmark.

If this is truly a recently discovered Pinkerton variant it appears to be far more rare than any of the other Pinkerton variants. Can anyone add to contradict the theory posited above?

[glynparson]

I have yet to hold one of these in hand but can be assured by the pics and descriptions that this is another variant of the unmounted T5. I am not surprised they are all A's as i have stated many times the A's are the easiest guys to get by far. Not sure how or why this subset was made but also not shocked it has been all A's. For the mounts i see almost 2 a's for a player from any other team.

[joeadcock]

I am not trying to deviate from the thread's topic of a new variant for unmounted T5, but am curious about another one. It is mounted to a thin back mount, almost like construction paper. Obtained via auction several years ago.

[jeffmohler]

Jim - I think that list looks good. I was glad to see the Baker that got used as a postcard since that definitely establishes a timeframe for issuance of the set.

Joe - I have seen many T5s with construction paper type mounts. I have one myself. I believe they are original and not photos that detached from their heavy mount and then were reattached to paper. I suspect that demand was strong for the photos and Pinkerton went from an expensive mount to a much cheaper mount. I don't have any real evidence for my opinion other than watching this particular issue for a number of years.

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by jeffmohler

Jim - I think that list looks good. I was glad to see the Baker that got used as a postcard since that definitely establishes a timeframe for issuance of the set.

Joe - I have seen many T5s with construction paper type mounts. I have one myself. I believe they are original and not photos that detached from their heavy mount and then were reattached to paper. I suspect that demand was strong for the photos and Pinkerton went from an expensive mount to a much cheaper mount. I don't have any real evidence for my opinion other than watching this particular issue for a number of years.

Jeff,
Of note this example on construction paper mount is a Philadelphia player. I have another one on construction paper mount that is also a Phili A. What player do you have? If yours is an A's player, maybe this is yet another subset done only of one particular team.

[Bridwell]

Here's 2 photos from my collection. Both bought on ebay from different sellers awhile back. They are blank back, thin like a T5 photo, but slightly larger. They measure about 3 5/8 x 5 7/8. They are possibly like Jim's new Bender photo. Any idea if these really are Pinkerton T5 detached photos?

[Bridwell]

I'm curious if Joeadcock's sample is slightly longer than a usual T5. Is it more like 5 7/8 long? If so, it might explain the use of the plain cardboard mounts. The slightly bigger photos don't fit in a standard T5 mount. These 2 I have are a bit wider and a bit longer than the T5 I have.

[MartyFromCANADA]

Originally Posted by Bridwell

Here's 2 photos from my collection. Both bought on ebay from different sellers awhile back. They are blank back, thin like a T5 photo, but slightly larger. They measure about 3 5/8 x 5 7/8. They are possibly like Jim's new Bender photo. Any idea if these really are Pinkerton T5 detached photos?

Love the Graney. Strange they used his middle name. Thanks for sharing this one. I had never seen. Cheers!