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Old 08-14-2015, 03:11 PM
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I bet the winner of both pieces was jumping for joy!

they got both pieces AT A DISCOUNT to say the least....

I estimated with many friends, in this venue 40k-60 k, with the buyer environment....on matty....

I estimated the rosetta getting 30 k plus in this venue....all depends if a few whales joined the frivolity, and I know for a fact a HUGE ONE chose not to participate

these 2 pieces went CHEAP even in this venue....

there were a few certain individuals who did not bid.....if they joined the pool, prices would have been at least 30 % higher or more in this venue....maybe not 100k on the multi strike , but 30- 50 k would have not been out of the question......Matty prob went to Keith....and if it did, he got a GREAT piece....and is one of the very elite to truly understand a "type 1 " design change proof.....

hate to say ROB D- in REA these 2 pieces would have done much better.....so, you know it.....100 k with another bidder would not have been out of the question on Matty at least, with the multi at least 30 k and sky the limit .......

THANK GOD! LEON reinstated you...............gives me someone to pick on






so, winner bidder got a STEAL ON BOTH!!!!


two major notes here.....

1)winning bidder needs to resubmit the multi and have "brown om stike" added....this will def add value to the card....

2) no one "really" understands yet what a design change proof really is and the significance of them......t206 "proto types"..... more to come in the future...



Rob, you should EDUCATE.....not EVALUATE so much



if you ever see these again at auction, they will be at least double of what they just sold for.....and you can quote me on that..........give it a year or 2 to marinate........these cards are exponentially appreciating like Wagz
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Old 08-14-2015, 03:32 PM
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"I bet the winner of both pieces was jumping for joy!

they got both pieces AT A DISCOUNT to say the least....

I estimated with many friends, in this venue 40k-60 k, with the buyer environment....on matty....

I estimated the rosetta getting 30 k plus in this venue....all depends if a few whales joined the frivolity, and I know for a fact a HUGE ONE chose not to participate

these 2 pieces went CHEAP even in this venue....

there were a few certain individuals who did not bid.....if they joined the pool, prices would have been at least 30 % higher or more in this venue....maybe not 100k on the multi strike , but 30- 50 k would have not been out of the question......Matty prob went to Keith....and if it did, he got a GREAT piece....and is one of the very elite to truly understand a "type 1 " design change proof.....

hate to say ROB D- in REA these 2 pieces would have done much better.....so, you know it.....100 k with another bidder would not have been out of the question on Matty at least, with the multi at least 30 k and sky the limit .......

THANK GOD! LEON reinstated you...............gives me someone to pick on






so, winner bidder got a STEAL ON BOTH!!!!


two major notes here.....

1)winning bidder needs to resubmit the multi and have "brown om stike" added....this will def add value to the card....

2) no one "really" understands yet what a design change proof really is and the significance of them......t206 "proto types"..... more to come in the future...



Rob, you should EDUCATE.....not EVALUATE so much



if you ever see these again at auction, they will be at least double of what they just sold for.....and you can quote me on that..........give it a year or 2 to marinate........these cards are exponentially appreciating like Wagz"



LOL--it's always easy to say things go too cheap when you are not spending your own money. Heritage accesses everyone in the hobby; the items sold for what they were worth. If I had to guess, and it is no more than a guess, I would say that the Matty proof could appreciate in the future. The printers scrap piece, I believe, is just a curiosity piece that happens to be hot now. In other areas, like '48 Leaf cards, similar printers scrap pieces, even dramatic ones, do not carry significant value. I would guess that T206 scrap pieces depreciate in value in the future. This is not meant to start a debate, just one person's view.
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Old 08-14-2015, 04:45 PM
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Heritage accesses everyone in the hobby; the items sold for what they were worth. If I had to guess, and it is no more than a guess, I would say that the Matty proof could appreciate in the future. The printers scrap piece, I believe, is just a curiosity piece that happens to be hot now.
I agree with this. I thought the Matty went a little cheap and the printers scrap piece went a bit high.
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Old 08-17-2015, 04:23 PM
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I agree with this. I thought the Matty went a little cheap and the printers scrap piece went a bit high.
Sorry for the belated reading--been busy with one too many appeal briefs for the Michigan Court of Appeals. I also agree with this analysis completely, and believe the Matty will be a true gem in the coming years!

Hi, Jeff

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Old 08-14-2015, 03:37 PM
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Blah blah blah

Or, more likely, you often are clueless -- or at the very least overly optimistic -- when assigning realistic value to these types of cards (specifically, scrap and the like). Maybe because you'd like to see them be worth more than they are? Because you own cards of this type?

It just always seems like you have to explain how often these types of cards sell at "bargain" prices. They'll always sell for more -- you predict -- down the road.

I know, I know ... you and a handful of collectors are the only ones "smart" enough to realize the "true" value. The collectors who actually can afford to pay the actual selling prices just aren't as smart, apparently.

Edited to add: R0b Dew0lf

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