Rarely seen, show us some E97 Briggs Lozenge cards

[steve B]

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

[ullmandds]

ted...are u saying that the backs reflect the few team changes on the fronts????

if so...this is new to me?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ted...are u saying that the backs reflect the few team changes on the fronts????

if so...this is new to me?

Here is my understanding of the Simon Nichols and Cy Young variations in the E97 set.

The A's traded Nichols to Cleveland Dec 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with the A's. His 1910 card has him with Cleveland (note that the A's logo is seen on his sleeve in this card).
The back of these cards reflects the team on the front.


Boston traded Cy Young to Cleveland Feb 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with Boston (front is Irv Young). His 1909/1910 card (front is Irv Young) has him with Cleveland. I have not
seen the backs of either versions of Cy Young, so I cannot say if the backs reflect Boston or Cleveland.


I hope this answers your question.


TED Z
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[ullmandds]

thanks ted...it does...i guess I've never looked closely at the e97 backs. I'd like to see a 1909 back that reflects this nichols, phil variation if anyone has one.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here is my understanding of the Simon Nichols and Cy Young variations in the E97 set.

The A's traded Nichols to Cleveland Dec 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with the A's. His 1910 card has him with Cleveland (note that the A's logo is seen on his sleeve in this card).
The back of these cards reflects the team on the front.


Boston traded Cy Young to Cleveland Feb 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with Boston (front is Irv Young). His 1909/1910 card (front is Irv Young) has him with Cleveland. I have not
seen the Boston version of Cy Young, so I cannot say if its back is Boston or Cleveland.


The A's and Boston variations are worth considerably more than their two Cleveland variations (Nichols and Cy Young, respectively).


I hope this answers your question.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

As you most likely know....the picture on this E97 is that of Irv Young (not CY). The Cleveland variation of the "Cy Young" card also depicts Irv Young.

TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

Hey Steve B

Please post the back of this E97 Young card.


Thanks much,


TED Z
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[Tom S.]

My lone E97 example...

[trdcrdkid]

My one E97, still in its plastic page along with some of my other E90 through E106 examples:

[ullmandds]

After google searching I still cannot find any e97 back that reflects the nichols, phil variation...are u sure, Ted?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

After google searching I still cannot find any e97 back that reflects the nichols, phil variation...are u sure, Ted?

The list on the back of the 30 different subjects and the 3 variations is identical. For examples the Nichols (Philadelphia) or
(Cleveland) variations is Cleveland. And, Cy Young (Boston) or (Cleveland) variations is Cleveland.

This set is catalogued as a 1909-1910 set. My take on it is...in terms of the back of these cards...it is strictly a 1910 issue.

I base this on the fact that Nichols was traded to Cleveland in Dec. 1909; therefore, the E97's cards were issued in 1910.


Furthermore, Sullivan is listed in the Standard Catalogue as Dennis Sullivan....he is actually Billy Sullivan.

Trivia......Billy Sullivan is first in MLB history to...... ?



TED Z
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[steve B]

I'll have to unbury the end table /card storage I have it in.

Steve B

[spec]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The list on the back of the 30 different subjects and the 3 variations is identical. For examples the Nichols (Philadelphia) or
(Cleveland) variations is Cleveland. And, Cy Young (Boston) or (Cleveland) variations is Cleveland.

This set is catalogued as a 1909-1910 set. My take on it is...in terms of the back of these cards...it is strictly a 1910 issue.

I base this on the fact that Nichols was traded to Cleveland in Dec. 1909; therefore, the E97's cards were issued in 1910.


Furthermore, Sullivan is listed in the Standard Catalogue as Dennis Sullivan....he is actually Billy Sullivan.

Trivia......Billy Sullivan is first in MLB history to...... ?



TED Z
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The image on the E97 is of Dennis W. Sullivan when he played with the Boston Americans (BA) in 1907. He last played for Boston in 1908 and appeared briefly with Cleveland in 1909. Briggs apparently noticed Sullivan playing for the Chicago White Sox in 1910 and corrected the caption accordingly, not realizing this was Billy Sullivan, who never played for the Boston Americans, though he did break in with the Boston National League club in 1899 and 1900.