WTB 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Case and point. I paid way up for this one for the card alone, not for what the printed number states on the flip. In my opinion this card holds it's own against other examples up to a 6 when taking into consideration centering, registration, stray print lines, color and back staining which it has none of. I'm thinking long term I did okay.

that's a real nice sgc mantle....I have no doubt that will go for more than higher graded copies.....I talking about bidding at the same auction though when people are buying the card not the grade. like the memory lane auction with the 51 mantel..would of be interesting if no crease on the psa 4. .lots of people say they like a card more..but I think we all agree its one thing to say it and another thing to pay the price.........sort of like b/s/t...people comment how much they like someones card for sale, but don't pull the trigger...easy to say...but means a lot more to pay the price then just to say it.....

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

that's a real nice sgc mantle....I have no doubt that will go for more than higher graded copies.....I talking about bidding at the same auction though when people are buying the card not the grade. like the memory lane auction with the 51 mantel..would of be interesting if no crease on the psa 4. .lots of people say they like a card more..but I think we all agree its one thing to say it and another thing to pay the price.........sort of like b/s/t...people comment how much they like someones card for sale, but don't pull the trigger...easy to say...but means a lot more to pay the price then just to say it.....

Yea that would be interesting to see. I would pay more for this Mantle in an SGC 4.5 than I would for the PSA 5 in Memory Lane. If 3-2-count were to agree to it I would buy this card for what that 5 closes at.

Although they were different sites I think those to 52 Mantles I posted make the point though, as to the PSA 8s mattyc mentioned, especially if they close with a 60k gap for the same card in the same grade.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yea that would be interesting to see. I would pay more for this Mantle in an SGC 4.5 than I would for the PSA 5 in Memory Lane. If 3-2-count were to agree to it I would buy this card for what that 5 closes at.

Although they were different sites I think those to 52 Mantles I posted make the point though, as to the PSA 8s mattyc mentioned, especially if they close with a 60k gap for the same card in the same grade.

when talking about cards with more than 50k difference.thats a little different scenario...sort of artwork at that point and eye in the beholder......heck the T206 wagner theres an issue of grading etc...can be 500k difference on opinion such as that Gretsky T206 Wagner (trimmed?) and the holder isn't really as important with that type of money.....I talking more of the regular cards in the 1k-20k range in the same auction....different auctions are everything..i want to see someone pay more for a lower grade card where the higher grade card is right in their face....we all overpay on occasion for cards..even knowing a prior auction price was much lower....its another to see it in front of your face like the memory lane auction that I first commented on....

again saying 'I will pay more' doesn't really count unless you actually pay...and what does 'pay more mean'....I can pay 2k for a 1952 mantle psa 5 versus 1k for a psa 6...so I am paying more..but I not winning the card.....its all really just talk and theory unless someone actually buys the card following their mantra...

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wish this one didn't have the print line, but at least it's off the face. Otherwise has all the characteristics I want.

[3-2-count]

Thanks Peter, Chuck, Matt & Jesse. Very much appreciated.

Peter that ones nice, but honestly if I owned it all I could concentrate on while viewing it is that darn vertical print line even though it's away from his face. It would drive me nuts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Thanks Peter, Chuck, Matt & Jesse. Very much appreciated.

Peter that ones nice, but honestly if I owned it all I could concentrate on while viewing it is that darn vertical print line even though it's away from his face. It would drive me nuts.

LOL. I hear you, but on the other hand I have seen SO many off centered, print lines through the face, washed out color, out of register, stains in the back...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL. I hear you, but on the other hand I have seen SO many off centered, print lines through the face, washed out color, out of register, stains in the back...

of course the seller probably saying 'if not for the print line, its a PSA 7-8'

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

when talking about cards with more than 50k difference.thats a little different scenario...sort of artwork at that point and eye in the beholder......heck the T206 wagner theres an issue of grading etc...can be 500k difference on opinion such as that Gretsky T206 Wagner (trimmed?) and the holder isn't really as important with that type of money.....I talking more of the regular cards in the 1k-20k range in the same auction....different auctions are everything..i want to see someone pay more for a lower grade card where the higher grade card is right in their face....we all overpay on occasion for cards..even knowing a prior auction price was much lower....its another to see it in front of your face like the memory lane auction that I first commented on....

again saying 'I will pay more' doesn't really count unless you actually pay...and what does 'pay more mean'....I can pay 2k for a 1952 mantle psa 5 versus 1k for a psa 6...so I am paying more..but I not winning the card.....its all really just talk and theory unless someone actually buys the card following their mantra...

I get what you're saying, but the odds of that happening are slim. You would need a card like this 4.5 Mantle in the same auction with a 5-6 with some flaw. Off center, print line, etc. Then I think you would see the mantra in action. I know different auctions attract different bidders, and are hard to directly compare. But for now that's all we have. That, and the people who say they're willing to buy the card and not the holder.

Take MattyC's 52 Mantle. I don't know what he paid for it, but I bet it was a lot more than PSA 5s were selling for at that time. And if he sold it today, on here or an auction, i'm sure it would sell for more than 5s and would be close to the 6 range.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I get what you're saying, but the odds of that happening are slim. You would need a card like this 4.5 Mantle in the same auction with a 5-6 with some flaw. Off center, print line, etc. Then I think you would see the mantra in action. I know different auctions attract different bidders, and are hard to directly compare. But for now that's all we have. That, and the people who say they're willing to buy the card and not the holder.

Take MattyC's 52 Mantle. I don't know what he paid for it, but I bet it was a lot more than PSA 5s were selling for at that time. And if he sold it today, on here or an auction, i'm sure it would sell for more than 5s and would be close to the 6 range.

well again its talk....if he actually listed it, and there were some 5's and 6s on the same auction..we can get that experiment going....there are a lot of PWCC auctions though with many of the same cards in the same auctiion...I still see poor poor centered 6s going for more than great centered 5s.....I doubt any 9 has sold for more than a 10 in modern cards in the same pwcc auction.... for all of these buy the card not the holder its not showing in the bidding ...you would think it would happen more than a miniscule amount ..

[MattyC]

As Jesse noted, it's a very specific hypothetical that Jake is envisioning-- I agree it would be cool and interesting to see it play out in the same auction with just the right two examples. I suppose that's why it doesn't pan out that often in the same auction, because we'd need to have the right auction with the right examples. When we compare examples across different auctions or sales settings, that's when we begin to see the phenomenon more prevalent.

[pokerplyr80]

As we've all seen an identical card can vary dramatically across various auctions, especially in a PWCC auction. But all things being equal I have personally noticed centered cards going for high amounts compared to VCP averages. Even for cards that aren't breaking VCP records every other auction like the Mantles we've been discussing, or say a 55 Clemente.

I recently bought a 55 Clemente in PSA 4 and paid a premium for the grade because the card was almost dead centered and looks for the grade. Even though I was looking for a 5 or 6. And I believe I got a great deal, and would have been willing to pay more.

That being said, I'm sure we'd all love to see this experiment in action. Maybe we can get a couple of members to pick a couple high end mid grade cards, one with eye appeal, one without, send them to the same auction, and see what happens.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well again its talk....if he actually listed it, and there were some 5's and 6s on the same auction..we can get that experiment going....there are a lot of PWCC auctions though with many of the same cards in the same auctiion...I still see poor poor centered 6s going for more than great centered 5s.....I doubt any 9 has sold for more than a 10 in modern cards in the same pwcc auction.... for all of these buy the card not the holder its not showing in the bidding ...you would think it would happen more than a miniscule amount ..

Well the PSA 4 and PSA 5 from the Memory Lane ended up selling for the same price. That's probably as close to this experiment as we can get without setting it up ourselves. It shows that at least one collector was willing to buy the card and not the holder.

[1952boyntoncollector]

yeah was close..

there was a 1952 jackie robinson psa 5 centered that sold for 2600 on ebay the other day..that range is psa 6 as well.....whoever those buyers are can say 'buy the card not the holder' they get the pass to do that......