Altered high grade E93s in Mile High?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Let's make one thing perfectly clear: 99+ % of the people who use the services of someone like Mr. Towle do so for one reason and one reason only- to resubmit the card to TPG in order to get a higher than merited grade.

That's silly! There have been gum and wax removing solutions long before TPGs even came into existence. What was the motivation before the TPGs?

TPGs could all go out of business tomorrow and I highly doubt Dick's business would skip a beat.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would bet if Dick supplied his client list it would confirm what Barry said.

And if there were no TPGs the motivation would be the same -- to get more money for altered cards.

[barrysloate]

Gum and wax removal is minimal David. I'm talking about any process that will add grading points to a card. That's a whole different thing. There are people who build corners, who glue the fronts and backs of two different cards together and then submit them and get high numerical grades. Some of these alterations are caught by the graders, but many of them are missed too. That would concern me greatly if I were buying expensive high grade cards ( I don't).

[ejharrington]

Getting back to the original post, the poster claims he has information that he does not want to share. I see no conclusive evidence. Who's to say this guy doesn't want to buy the card himself and is just trying to dampen bidding? I wonder if he can be sued by the consignor if the bidding suddenly dries up?

[ctownboy]

ejharrington,

I believe the person who started this thread is an attorney. I also believe, if what he says is true, that he would WELCOME a lawsuit. That way, the person or people who own the cards that he is saying have been doctored will have to prove they haven't been doctored.

David

[ejharrington]

I'm not a lawyer but I think the poster has to prove the cards are doctored...not the other way around. I don't know how the owner would prove a negative.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Getting back to the original post, the poster won't give his name but claims he has information that he does not want to share. I see no conclusive evidence. Who's to say this guy doesn't want to buy the card himself and is just trying to dampen bidding? I wonder if he can be sued by the consignor if the bidding suddenly dries up?

I refuse to give my name. And how on earth did you figure out my true motive? You damn pesky kids!

[ejharrington]

I didn't claim any motives; I just asked the questions.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I refuse to give my name. And how on earth did you figure out my true motive? You damn pesky kids!

I know you ... you're J3ff L!(h+m@n.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Getting back to the original post, the poster won't give his name but claims he has information that he does not want to share. I see no conclusive evidence. Who's to say this guy doesn't want to buy the card himself and is just trying to dampen bidding? I wonder if he can be sued by the consignor if the bidding suddenly dries up?

I must say Jeff, you took that a lot more calmly than I would have.

And how do people keep missing your name in your posts?

[benchod]

Originally Posted by Sean

I must say Jeff, you took that a lot more calmly than I would have.

And how do people keep missing your name in your posts?

Kid gloves

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Getting back to the original post, the poster won't give his name but claims he has information that he does not want to share. I see no conclusive evidence. Who's to say this guy doesn't want to buy the card himself and is just trying to dampen bidding? I wonder if he can be sued by the consignor if the bidding suddenly dries up?

The old Hal Lewis playbook.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I love when nonlawyers make pronouncements about the law. Is our resident class action expert Kevin Quinn still out there?

[Kenny Cole]

As a Plaintiff lawyer, I think it would be awesome if in a civil case the defendant had the burden of persuasion to disprove the plaintiff's allegations. That would make my job exponentially easier. On the criminal side, those pesky constitutional considerations cause me to grudgingly say that I guess the status quo should be maintained and that the prosecution has to still be able to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

[ejharrington]

No one has addressed my original questions. I've seem enough scumbaggery within this hobby to not put it above somebody to drive down bidding with unfounded allegations. I have no dog in the fight and don't know anyone in the hobby. I find the timing of the post interesting; the auction has been open for weeks and the post occurs two days before it is due to end. Why wait if you have evidence or inside information? People have bid been tens of thousands of dollars on the cards that they may have not have bid on if this allegation was made earlier. Why does the title of the post have a ? at the end if he is sure? How could PSA miss a rebuilt corner on the Cobb? I think these are all legitimate questions.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

No one has addressed my original questions. I've seem enough scumbaggery within this hobby to not put it above somebody to drive down bidding with unfounded allegations. I have no dog in the fight and don't know anyone in the hobby. I find the timing of the post interesting; the auction has been open for weeks and the post occurs two days before it is due to end. Why wait if you have evidence or inside information? People have bid been tens of thousands of dollars on the cards that they may have not have bid on if this allegation was made earlier. Why does the title of the post have a ? at the end if he is sure? How could PSA miss a rebuilt corner on the Cobb? I think these are all legitimate questions.

Wait, I thought I was trying to keep the prices down with my first post and now you're saying that I could have kept them down even more by posting weeks ago? Where were you when I needed help?

PS -- I'm still refusing to put my full name on my posts and there's not a thing you can do to stop me.