Battersbox

[jrawlsian]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I'm just a raw guy and so have no real opinion that affects me directly re graded cards (in fact when I consign to a AH I expect them to grade them for me). However, since you are a self-admitted registry guy, why are you buying raw? Aside from the Ford episode and their customer service, maybe you just don't have enough experience yet how to buy raw over the internet? You'd probably be better of going to card shows, etc. As for an established online store, I'd think they would grade the cards they think should be graded. And if you think you are going to get a "deal" from these places, those instances will be few and far between. Just my opinion.

Collecting is an art and aesthetic opinions differ by collector, something that raw sellers often capitalize on by selling cards they probably know have some defect. I have found sellers (obviously not Battersbox) who consistently send out gradable product.

Here are more images of one of the cards I returned due to a MK qualifier that I'm getting pilloried for:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30435.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30436.jpg

I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects.

Saving money is not a trait inherent to non-Registry collectors...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jrawlsian

I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects.

If you can't detect the marks with the card in hand (and I can't detect the mark on from my computer), why does it bother you so much what PSA said? You're obviously collecting slabs and flips, not cards.

Edited to add: Furthermore, how do you know that PSA didn't get it wrong? What if there really is NO mark on the card? Why are you trusting PSA over your OWN EYES?

[jrawlsian]

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[Laxcat]

Isn't a card only worth what the last person was willing to pay for it?

That Mantle is low grade. I've bought some t's from Battersbox and I get exactly what I expect to get.

Did they charge you a restock fee?

I would if you sent back half of what you purchased from me.

[jrawlsian]

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[ncinin]

Out of curiousity what were you expecting the 1958 Topps #418 to grade from PSA or SGC?

The reason I ask is you paid Battersbox $79.50 for a card they grade VG and it not centered well.

A PSA 4 recently sold for $64.99, had no bids at $79.99, sold for $97, SGC 5 sold for $83.

PSA 3's sold for or had no bids from $45 to $77.

[jrawlsian]

Originally Posted by ncinin

Out of curiousity what were you expecting the 1958 Topps #418 to grade from PSA or SGC?

The reason I ask is you paid Battersbox $79.50 for a card they grade VG and it not centered well.

A PSA 4 recently sold for $64.99, had no bids at $79.99, sold for $97, SGC 5 sold for $83.

PSA 3's sold for or had no bids from $45 to $77.

It shows sold but there was a discount applied to the card as it was part of a larger order. It was not $79.50 though. Expected no qualifiers, not a numerical grade per se. Not to worry, yesterday I found a PSA 3 for $55 as replacement.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by jrawlsian

...Here are more images of one of the cards I returned due to a MK qualifier that I'm getting pilloried for:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30435.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30436.jpg

I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects....

No one is throwing stones and no one is being pilloried. You asked for feedback. There's no malice intended so please don't become defensive just because it may differ from what you expected.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by Paul S

No one is throwing stones and no one is being pilloried. You asked for feedback. There's no malice intended so please don't become defensive just because it may differ from what you expected.

+100...

Steve (the OP), you started this thread and people responded honestly (including myself). What more did you want?

Jeff

[jrawlsian]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

+100...

Steve (the OP), you started this thread and people responded honestly (including myself). What more did you want?

Jeff

Jeff -Not looking for anything further. Again, as I said to another member, it's just a general sharing of experience for future members with a similar problem, whether this seller or related to general raw-card buying as a whole. Before I posted I searched this problem on the forum and couldn't find a previous case of it so decided to start the thread. Currently just responding to offshoots of the post on various comments.

[nolemmings]

Message received. If someone uses a seller's open return policy four times in a rather short amount of time and has his returns honored, he might be banned from future auctions without notice by that seller. Got it.

[ALR-bishop]

No one can say that Tod is not a fast study