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Old 06-30-2015, 10:33 AM
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Why isn't restitution the first part of any judgement. If wronged, I would want to be compensated for that wrong. I couldn't care less if the party goes to jail or not.
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Old 06-30-2015, 10:36 AM
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Why isn't restitution the first part of any judgement. If wronged, I would want to be compensated for that wrong. I couldn't care less if the party goes to jail or not.
Address your letter to:

Judge Ronald A. Guzman
219 South Dearborn Street
Chicago, Illinois 60604

The case name is U.S. v. Mastro, 1:12-cr-00567.
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Why isn't restitution the first part of any judgement. If wronged, I would want to be compensated for that wrong. I couldn't care less if the party goes to jail or not.
Pretty hard to calculate and administer in a case like this with so many bidders oand so many lots over so many years, I would imagine.
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Pretty hard to calculate and administer in a case like this with so many bidders oand so many lots over so many years, I would imagine.
5 million dollar lifetime fine split over everyone that bid, just like a class action that has been awarded *(in layperson terms).....that is a start.
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5 million dollar lifetime fine split over everyone that bid, just like a class action that has been awarded *(in layperson terms).....that is a start.
In a class action, to collect you typically have to submit a proof of claim. There is a whole administrative process. And there's no way every lot was shilled such that every bidder would have a claim.
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Plus, he never would have plea bargained if it included a mutli million dollar award, is my guess.
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Plus, he never would have plea bargained if it included a mutli million dollar award, is my guess.
I disagree completely. What was he going to do, go to trial?

But before we go back into pontificating about the ills of the legal system, can we again focus on the following:

if you wish to tell the judge your thoughts on Bill Mastro, good or bad, you should write to the judge because you will have no other opportunity to be heard on this matter. Complaining on Net 54 does not move the ball forward.
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I disagree completely. What was he going to do, go to trial?
You are closer to it than I am fair enough, but why then didn't the prosecution insist on restitution?
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In a class action, to collect you typically have to submit a proof of claim. There is a whole administrative process. And there's no way every lot was shilled such that every bidder would have a claim.
You said no way, I gave a way. He is proven (I believe) to have shilled. My restitution may not be perfect but it seems better than what is being done.
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You said no way, I gave a way. He is proven (I believe) to have shilled. My restitution may not be perfect but it seems better than what is being done.
Well yes he shilled but that does not mean every lot was shilled. So many bidders may not have been damaged at all.
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Well yes he shilled but that does not mean every lot was shilled. So many bidders may not have been damaged at all.
And we will never know as so many records were destroyed by them. I believe that makes my solution more equitable. It's something ..
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Man all I got from Mastro recently was junk wax boxes from the 1990s..where do I send the sentencing recommendation too again?
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