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Old 06-28-2015, 07:36 PM
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All 73 CLs came in series of 132 so all were SPs.
The 73s were definitely sold by series. I have tons of the first 3 series and had to order a couple of 4th and 5th series from Larry Fritsch in early 1974 to fill out two sets.
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1970 Topps checklist #9 is a bit of a puzzle, as there are two distinct versions, but it's more complex than that. I usually refer to the separate variations as: top of bat reaches the white border and; top of bat ends short of the white border. This could usually be explained as a simple registration problem regarding the colors mixed to make the brown bat or, more likely, the layer of red. However, that certainly doesn't fully explain it and I call your attention to the portion of the card I've highlighted in this gif.



If you look between the batter's elbow and his midsection, you'll see a black line there. In the one version, it's at the lowest point of the batter graphic and appears to 'close' the yellow box. But in the other version, this line is significantly higher up (and on a bit of a downward slant) and no longer connected to the very bottom of the batter. Since both the batter and this line are part of the black printing plate, the layout had to have been changed at some point, making this a true variation.

To play devil's advocate, I will say there's a tiny possibility that this line is actually part of the red/magenta plate, so it's movement would fit in with the obvious shift of that color. However, under strong magnification, I see nothing but a black/grey line there, so I'm not sure that's a reasonable counter-argument.
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Tough call without the card or another like it in hand, but to me it looks like registration. Red high, or maybe black a bit low.
But I do think there may be a subtle variation there anyway. One of the ones I refer to as the "invisible" variations - where a difference in one color is hidden behind another color. It's not really unusual for Topps, but they can be hard to spot unless there's a registration problem or some other printing issue.
There's also a little something I see that may or may not confirm them as different, it's almost impossible to see clearly in the scans.

I'll let you look for it for a while before telling you what I think I see.
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1970 Topps checklist #9 is a bit of a puzzle, as there are two distinct versions, but it's more complex than that. I usually refer to the separate variations as: top of bat reaches the white border and; top of bat ends short of the white border. This could usually be explained as a simple registration problem regarding the colors mixed to make the brown bat or, more likely, the layer of red. However, that certainly doesn't fully explain it and I call your attention to the portion of the card I've highlighted in this gif.



If you look between the batter's elbow and his midsection, you'll see a black line there. In the one version, it's at the lowest point of the batter graphic and appears to 'close' the yellow box. But in the other version, this line is significantly higher up (and on a bit of a downward slant) and no longer connected to the very bottom of the batter. Since both the batter and this line are part of the black printing plate, the layout had to have been changed at some point, making this a true variation.

To play devil's advocate, I will say there's a tiny possibility that this line is actually part of the red/magenta plate, so it's movement would fit in with the obvious shift of that color. However, under strong magnification, I see nothing but a black/grey line there, so I'm not sure that's a reasonable counter-argument.
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Well, that was a waste of time!! My theory of the line being red (which I myself discounted based on all the scans I have) is actually frickin' right on. Here are the two separate versions of this card with both showing obviously red lines...

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Oh well. But there is a difference in the dot patterns inside the bat between the two versions, so that maaaaaay be something??
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While the 70 #9 checklist does appear twice on this uncut sheet(and may indeed have very subtle variations),it is a single print, as is the Joe Rudi card and all of the other non-checklist cards on this series 1/2 sheet, as they all appear only on this sheet(similar to the 63 cropping variations). In other words, all of the cards on the first sheet, except the 2nd series checklist, are single prints. The 2nd series checklist is the exception on these two sheets, as it appears on both of these different sheets, the series 1/2 sheet and the series 2/3, thus making it a double print. So if one were to split hairs, there would likely be 4 "unique" versions of this 2nd series checklist (as there are at least 4 different slight variations with the 68 Yaz checklist) as it appears twice on two different sheets.

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