Anyone heard of a Waner/Collins/Speaker… 3k hit ticket

[Scott Garner]

Hi Jeff,
Sorry, no pictures of either the Tris Speaker or the Stan Musial 3,000th hit to show you. I did own a beautiful Musial 3,000th stub as well, but these have been gone for many years.

The collector that I sold the Tris Speaker ticket did sell it to another collector that has what I believe to be the best 3,000th hit registry.

As a response to your comment about the scarcity of earlier 3,000th hit tickets, I would like to pass along some interesting info that I have learned along the way and you might find interesting:

3,000 hits and 3,000 strikeouts were not newsworthy at the time that these events occurred. When I owned the Speaker ticket I recall looking up archived microfilm (it has been a long time LOL) box scores and write up about the game. Not a single newspaper that I looked at commented on the 3,000 hit milestone! At the time it wasn't apparently something that the sports writers of the day even talked about. The fact that Speaker was only the 2nd batsman to accomplish it at the time in the modern era (Cobb being the other), you would think it would be worth mentioning, but no!

Along the same lines, Walter Johnson reached 3,000 K's and I'm not sure that he received much press on this as well at the time.
Perhaps this is why tickets were not saved; these milestones were not celebrated...

Also consider that a perfect game was not called a "perfect game" until CWS hurler Charlie Robertson hurled his in 1922 against Ty Cobb's Detroit Tigers. In the modern era (Post 1900), two pitchers had already hurled what we call a perfect game today: Cy Young and Addie Joss, not to mention the pitchers that accomplished it at the 50' mound distance, not the current 60' 6" standard.

[GDoggy]

These are the Stan Musial 3000th hit tickets that I have seen online auctions/shows

Seat Number - info
17-1-3 - Sold from Chicago Tix
39-1-1 - PSA graded: PR 1
79-7-6 - Pen writing on back. Sold on ebay 2013
79-7-8 - Pen writing on back (Stan Musial 3000 hits), staple holes and indentation. Sold on ebay 2013
87-1-7 - PSA graded 4MK, small stub (http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...te.aspx?c=5270)

[Scott Garner]

Jeff,
I also know of 4 of these stubs (adjoining seats) that were in EXMT-NM condition that all came from a large collection from Chicago. My Stan Musial 3,000 hit ticket that I once owned came out of this collection. Remember that many (perhaps most) tickets do not get PSA graded by ticket collectors. I know several collectors that don't slab tickets including myself...

A very close hobby friend of mine Joe DeMattio (RIP) in about 1999 or 2000 bought this HUGE collection of several thousand sports tickets (mostly baseball, but other sports as well) that were all attended by one sports loving family in Chicago. The overall condition of these tickets was also exceptional!

The tickets that were part of this collection were truly amazing. Mantles 1st HR, several no-hitters (including Bob Feller's Opening Day no-hitter), Banks 500th HR, Musial 3,000th hit, etc. etc., etc.
Truly an epic pickup!

[mr2686]

I thought Pete Rose's 3000th hit ticket was not the easiest to find, but not scarce either. His Cobb breaking hit ticket was very easy, but the one that surprised me was the ticket for his last hit. I mean, I haven't seen one and nobody talks about it. It is the record hit ticket so you would think it should have some interest.

[Tigerden]

Scott, a bit off topic but do you have a ticket from Charlie Robertson's perfect game? I've never seen one but do recall a nicely scored program from the game selling on eBay a few years back for around $275.00. Adam

[earlywynnfan]

Scott, also, how many Wynn 300 tix would you say are out there?

Thanks, Ken

[hcv123]

Let me start by stating I think the weighting system could use a huge overhaul - I don't expect it will ever happen as many current "leaders" would be not too happy. The way they weight the cards (I am presuming they do tickets the same way) according to a number of conversations I had with them is based on the value/price of the card in PSA 8. That would help explain why a Clemente stub which is a bit more available is as high a weight as some that are less available. Hope that helps.

[GDoggy]

Thanks Howard, still does not make sense why a Waner has the same weight as a Clemente, when a Waner is unheard of. Grant it the highest known Clemente was a PSA 5 (http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-co...-82033.s#Photo), but that is also the highest for a Kaline (that I know of), which is weighted a 3.

Anyone see the Mays 3000 that went on ebay on 7/3/15 for $363. It was in really rough shape, but is a tough find (only 1 or 2 come up per year). I have cataloged only 7. Would appreciate if anyone could post a photo or give info on any others.

Here are the Mays 3000th hit I have seen:
Seat # / Note
3-2-3: PSA Authentic sold on Lelands 7/25/2014
3-2-4: PSA Authentic sold on Lelands 7/14/2014
4-7-14: PSA 3 Sold on Huggins and Scott 3/24/2010
10-1B-1: ebay 7/3/15
#599: Gen Admin PSA MK2
#1149: Gen Admin
#1628: Gen Admin ebay 4/25/2010

[ngrow9]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

3,000 hits and 3,000 strikeouts were not newsworthy at the time that these events occurred. When I owned the Speaker ticket I recall looking up archived microfilm (it has been a long time LOL) box scores and write up about the game. Not a single newspaper that I looked at commented on the 3,000 hit milestone! At the time it wasn't apparently something that the sports writers of the day even talked about. The fact that Speaker was only the 2nd batsman to accomplish it at the time in the modern era (Cobb being the other), you would think it would be worth mentioning, but no!

Along the same lines, Walter Johnson reached 3,000 K's and I'm not sure that he received much press on this as well at the time.
Perhaps this is why tickets were not saved; these milestones were not celebrated...

I just finished reading The Numbers Game by Alan Schwartz, which is an excellent history of statistics in baseball. It turns out that the record keeping was so shoddy back during the pre-war era that no one would have known at the time that a particular hit was a player's 3,000th. MLB's record keeping wasn't formalized to the point that such data would have been available until years later.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ngrow9

I just finished reading The Numbers Game by Alan Schwartz, which is an excellent history of statistics in baseball. It turns out that the record keeping was so shoddy back during the pre-war era that no one would have known at the time that a particular hit was a player's 3,000th. MLB's record keeping wasn't formalized to the point that such data would have been available until years later.

Nathanial (Nate),
I think you are totally correct, FWIW.

[GDoggy]

Scott, is this the ticket that you had that was the Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket? Thought people might want to see it. Story behind the ticket is item #2 of this thread (if this is the same ticket): "The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron."

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by GDoggy

Scott, is this the ticket that you had that was the Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket? Thought people might want to see it. Story behind the ticket is item #2 of this thread (if this is the same ticket): "The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron."

That is one in the same. I haven't seen it since 2000 or 2001.

[Lgarza99]

Some beautiful tickets guys! I'm just starting to look at tickets and I see proofs and passes, as well as full and stub tickets. I like the ideal of stubs because they were present in the stadium. I'm sure some events one would have to take what they can get. My question is are proofs and passes considered more desirable then full and stub tickets? Sorry for the beginner question, but thanks for any feedback.

Luis

[mcgwirecom]

Hi Luis,

Collecting tickets is a great part of the memorabilia hobby. As you said, the ticket was actually at the event. Plus they are far, far more limited than baseball cards.

To answer your question about proofs and passes, to a true collector they are less valuable than a DATED stub or full ticket. There are those out there who try and get a lot for a pass because they will tell you that it was good for every home game of a certain team, or in the case of a League pass every game in that league. But it is a lazy mans way of filling a spot in his collection. True collectors will always want the dated ticket to a specific game. Proofs are the same. They were not meant for adamission to any game. And as you pointed out a ticket was at the event, and these were not and could not. As a collector I want a ticket that would get me into a specific game.

Ticket collecting is just that, collecting. Most of us pick a genre to collect. I know people who collect all of a players homeruns. Some collect all of a players hits. Others may collect all of his games played! Some people collect all of a teams games from a World Series year. Still others collect certain events like no hitters or hitting for the cycle. Then theres people who collect milestones events like the 500th Homeruns, 3000th hits, 300th wins, 3000th struikeouts. Collecting player debuts has also really taken off. All I can say is that I love the thrill of finding a ticket I need. But I will warn you, at the beginning you will start off quickly gathering tickets and it seems like you will get done pretty fast but it will slow down to a trickle and then it will stop. You have to be very patient if you expect to collect all of a certain them of tickets. I know people who have been at it for more than 25 years and still need a few tickets to complete something.

Originally Posted by Lgarza99

Some beautiful tickets guys! I'm just starting to look at tickets and I see proofs and passes, as well as full and stub tickets. I like the ideal of stubs because they were present in the stadium. I'm sure some events one would have to take what they can get. My question is are proofs and passes considered more desirable then full and stub tickets? Sorry for the beginner question, but thanks for any feedback.

Luis