1952 Topps House gray/yellow

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by tombocombo

Cards 181 183 185 187 189 seem quite difficult in the cream let alone the gray back variation. Informed the seller that this is the 3rd known copy on the Frank House gray/yellow. The 3rd series is rarer than originally thought. Cards 171 to 190 in general are difficult.

Hi Tom,

We've corresponded several times in the past and I purchased a '52 variation from you recently. Why do you suspect these cards are more difficult to obtain? I know you track pops of the 52 Topps set and are very familiar with all of the variations?

Just curious as to your view....

Z

[SMPEP]

Cards #171-190 were double printed on the sheet, and the cards #131-170 were triple printed. Unlike a lot of theories, the full 1952 sheet had 200 cards, not 100 cards. They were printed on Lord Baltimore presses with a splitter attached in the midle that cut the sheets into two sections. this explains the common, but wrong theory that there were A and B sheets.

Cheers,
Patrick

[flkersn]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Cards #171-190 were double printed on the sheet, and the cards #131-170 were triple printed. Unlike a lot of theories, the full 1952 sheet had 200 cards, not 100 cards. They were printed on Lord Baltimore presses with a splitter attached in the midle that cut the sheets into two sections. this explains the common, but wrong theory that there were A and B sheets.

Cheers,
Patrick

Thanks for the information. I believe you, but...I am having trouble with the math. At the risk of inviting ridicule, I offer the following:

40 cards TP is 120, 20 cards DP is 40, for a total of 160 cards on a 200-card sheet. What am I doing wrong? Maybe my brain is too small.

Bill

[ALR-bishop]

I remember him. He was a tracker for the U.S. cavalry, who made a cameo appearance in Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I remember him. He was a tracker for the U.S. cavalry, who made a cameo appearance in Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

Hmmm, I always thought they were an early 70's acid rock group.

[flkersn]

Originally Posted by flkersn

Thanks for the information. I believe you, but...I am having trouble with the math. At the risk of inviting ridicule, I offer the following:

40 cards TP is 120, 20 cards DP is 40, for a total of 160 cards on a 200-card sheet. What am I doing wrong? Maybe my brain is too small.

Bill

Does anybody have an opinion?

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by flkersn

Does anybody have an opinion?

If the series were indeed only 60 cards, that would be correct. If not, I assume the remaining cards were single printed. It would work out if Patrick were referring to 2 half sheets of 100 cards each......and each half sheet had card numbers 171 to 190 single printed with the remaining cards double printed. This equals both the number of cards presumed to be printed in the series....60.....and the total number of cards printed per half sheet of 100 cards.

In Sy Berger's original article on creating the 1952 Topps set, he mentioned he cut and pasted the master cards at his home over his living room table. However, I have not noticed (nor have I paid close attention) to variations in these 40 cards. You would expect to find 40 cards in the 3rd series with variations.

Z

[flkersn]

Thanks for the clarification. Indeed, 40 DP and 20 SP (or that 2:1 ratio) does work; 3:2 did not.

I appreciate your responding.

Bill

[SMPEP]

This is what I get when I post without checking my notes! It should be DPs versus SPs. Here is the layout:

3rd series:
131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140
141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150
151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160
161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170
171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180

181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190
131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140
141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150
151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160
161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170

Sorry for the confusion.
Patrick